Hawk / SEC Stratos Replica Coffin Spoke Wheels

[Cloggie]

For those of you that are Stratos Enthusiasts Club members, the following annoucement was included in your last Newsletter, but for those of you who are not members, please read the following if you are interested in purchasing a wonderful set of replica wheels.

Guy and I will use this thread to update all of you on our progress in securing orders for these wheels and the project as it progresses:


Dear Stratos Enthusiast,
On behalf of the Stratos Enthusiasts Club (SEC), I'm very pleased to introduce this new product from Gerry Hawkridge at Hawk Cars Ltd, United Kingdom.

As you may be aware, Gerry has been planning for some time to manufacture these wheels which are exact replicas of the original Campagnolo design. Now, in collaboration with the SEC, these plans will become reality and we are now only a few weeks away from supplying the finished product.

Enclosed is a technical specification, order form and information about Hawk Cars Ltd and the SEC.

Why the collaboration?

As you can imagine, the tooling investment in such a product is considerable, therefore the SEC has stepped in to act as a third party guarantor for the funding of the project. We require at least 120 wheels to be ordered before there is sufficient volume to justify in investing in the tooling.

Why should you buy now?

The individuals who order in the next 6 weeks will receive a discounted offer price for these wheels, and will receive them from this first batch of product. Those who chose to purchase later will pay at least £200 more for these wheels,and will probably need to wait quite some time until sufficient orders are aggregated again to warrant another production run.

Why should you buy from Hawk Cars?

Gerry has obtained an original pair of wheels which will be copied to ensure the exact design is replicated. The design is being tooled and manufactured by reputable manufacturer of OEM Wheels, and a high quality finished product will be supplied at an affordable price. (Please see order form)

A few other companies and individuals are offering these wheels for sale, but they are 40-80% more expensive, in either Magnesium or Aluminium, and also not exact replicas of the original design.

So, I hope you'll join me and several other SEC members in taking up this fantastic offer to finally obtain a good value wheel set that will fit perfectly and look sensational an Original or Replica Stratos.

Yours sincerely,


Nico Alonzi, Secretary,
Stratos Enthusiasts Club

PS - Special thanks to Ken Tomblin for the loan of his wheels, and to Guy Mayers for taking the time
to personally collect and deliver these to the manufacturer.


Technical Specification

Sizes: #1 - 15" diameter x 12" rim
#2 - 15" diameter x 8" rim


Offset: ET -34 (12" rim)
ET 10 (8"rim)


PCD: 108mm (Ferrari)
98mm (Alfa)
Centre
Bore: 67.1 / 58.2 mm ø


Material: Aluminium (LM25)


Finish: Painted (Gold Powdercoat)


Other: Wheels accept standard
60 Degree tapered nuts.
(Other fits available to order)

Pricing: Stradale Package
(4 x 15"x8" wheels)
£1,150 + VAT + Delivery

Group 4 Package
(2 x 15"x8",2 x 15"x12" wheels)
£1,500 + VAT + Delivery

Single Wheel Spare (15"x8") £305 + VAT & Delivery

Single Wheel Spare (15"x12") £475 + VAT & Delivery

Leadtime: 8-12 weeks from receipt of order

Warranty: Full UK Manufacturer Warranty

Delivery: Within 2 weeks of manufacture


Want to order?

Please contact:

Nico Alonzi (secretary@stratclub.com)

or

Guy Mayers (treasurer@stratclub.com)

......in the next few days. The offer prices for the wheels will only be valid for the next few weeks.

Regards,

Cloggie (aka Nico Alonzi)

[guy mayers]

Thank you for the new thread Nico!
Ok, to all interested parties I would like to add the following to the technical specifications and prices posted above.

Why is the Stratos Enthusiasts Club involved with this project and in what capacity are we acting?

Well, we decided to get as actively involved as possible to promote the remanufacture of these wheels so that as many people as possible can join a consortium to enable production to start. There are a lot of people interested in a set but who, never having dealt with Gerry at Hawk Cars, are reluctant to pay a significant sum up front without guarantee of something at the end.
Similarly, Gerry is equally unwilling to commit to production without a guarantee of sufficient orders to make the project viable commercially.
The only way round these two problems is for the Stratos Enthusiasts Club to act as an intermediary.

So, what is the Club doing to enable the whole project to happen?

We decided that the best way we could help was by acting as stakeholders for interested parties. That way we can take orders for wheels and hold the money so that Gerry can see that there are confirmed and paid for orders which gives him enough confidence to give the green light for production to start.

To this end I have, as Club Treasurer, opened a separate Deposit account to enable us to receive money from anyone interested in a set of wheels.
I guarantee that anyone who sends an order and pays for the wheels will be able to ask for the return of their money at any point up to the date they are notified that the wheels are going into production with no questions asked.
I will return funds as soon as possible. The only stipulation I make is that neither the Club nor its Officers will be liable for any exchange rate losses.
I further guarantee that anyone placing funds with us will be entitled to a fair share of any interest this account earns and this will be apportioned at the end of the project by way of either a refund or part payment of any delivery costs.

So, why should you join the Consortium now?

The simple answers are economic advantage and to ensure the success of the project. Those ordering their wheels now will benefit from a significantly lower price. There is also the possibility that this may be the only production run for the foreseeable future as minimum orders are needed to place an order with the factory who will not upset production for just a few sets. Unless we can get sufficient orders the project will hinge on Gerrys goodwill and willingness to stock a significant number of wheels.

Do you have to be a member of the Stratos Enthusiasts Club to join the consortium?

Simple answer is no. Obviously we would like you join our club and by adding £15 to your order I will know that you are joining. For that you will receive a CD Rom containing the Clubs first 61 Newsletters plus any subsequent ones to date, the membership will run to 31st December 2004 and you will receive further newsletters and details of club events. The ONLY aim of this project is the production of the wheels.

So, what is the progress of the project to date?

An original set of wheels have been loaned by Ken Tomblin and these have been delivered by myself to the company contracted by Hawk cars. Computer models have been made of the wheels and any imperfections electronically eliminated. The next stage is dependant on sufficient orders being accumulated. Once this stage is reached the computer model will be used to generate new moulds from which the wheels will be made in LM25 aluminium in low pressure moulds. Having had a guided tour of the factory I was very impressed with the set up and have no doubts as to the ability of the manufacturer to produce a new wheel to our exacting demands.

And who is the manufacturer?

That is something I am not able to divulge as it is commercially sensitive. The only person able to answer that is Gerry at Hawk Cars but I know they are reliable and reputable. Wheel manufacture is all the do and have done for many years.

What is the current position as regards orders?

Since the newsletter went out 10 days ago I have received orders and payment from 4 parties. Since they have all expressed an interest in the previous thread I do not consider that there aare any confidentiality issues.
I am therfore happy to say that myself, Geraint Davies and Phil Dolby have all ordered and paid for Group 4 wheels and Lyndon Hughes has ordered a set of Stradale wheels.
Furthermore there are payments pending from other parties and these will be posted as updates to this thread at a later date but names will be omitted if requested.

I want to join the consortium but don't have an order form?

You can email either myself or Nico through Stratclub.com or contact us through this website. We will either post you a copy order form or send it as an attachment to an email.


I hope that this will allay any concerns that potential consortium members may have and encourage others to join us to make this project a reality. Thank you to those who are helping make it happen (Gerry, Nico and Ken) and thank you to those who are making it happen by joining the consortium.

Guy Mayers
Treasurer
Stratos Enthusiasts Club

[JohnB_SPY8808053]

Is gold the only color or would it be possible to get yellow as well?

Just wondering.

John B.

[guy mayers]

Hi John, we are in discussions with the manufacturer about this and it looks possible, especially if a few people request it. Phil Dolby was the first to ask and I am sure others will as well. I will be reconfirming with everyone just before we go into production.

There are a couple of reasons - primarily to let everyone know that the project is going ahead and that refunds will not be made after that point. Secondly, if there are any further options available, colour, center caps etc.

I suppose it is appropriate to list this weeks new orders to keep everyone informed!

So far this week we have the following orders and payments. From John Whalley, one set of Stradale wheels.
From Nico Alonzi, one set of Group 4 wheels.
From Zarathustra, one set of Stradale wheels plus a spare 8".

Thank you for your orders gentlemen! Email confirmations will be on their way soon.

I am aware of at least one other cheque on the way now and several others pending - hopefully just waiting for payday!

(If anyone has sent me a cheque but not yet had an email acknowlegement or listing here please contact me at guymayers@blueyonder.co.uk The order form omitted my house number but the Postie knows me and all those I was aware of have arrived so far! If you haven't posted the order and payment the house number is 1.

Guy Mayers
Treasurer
Stratos Enthusiasts Club

[JohnB_SPY8808053]

Thanks for the update. Sorry if this has been mentioned already but is there a cut-off date for the orders?

John B.

[guy mayers]

Hi John, yes there is, roughly four weeks from now we will be making the go/no go decision with Gerry. There are at least two people who have made serious enquiries about the wheels but can't committ at this time.

If the project goes ahead without them it will be up to Gerrys' goodwill as to whether he will pay for their wheels until they can afford them, I suspect that may have some bearing on the final price they pay.

Should we not get enough orders by the specified date we will have to reappraise the situation. There is a small possibility of extending the deadline to say the end of January but this may mean that some existing consortium members may wish to drop out. This may also cause problems for the manufacturer which we want to avoid at all costs.

In any case, everyone who joins the consortium will be kept informed and can request the return of their funds at any time.

If there is anyone who can't make the deadline PLEASE let us know, knowing that there are further potential orders out there may have a big impact on the decision to cancel the project and return funds.

Guy

[Jeff Davison]

Guy,

Is it possible to set up a PayPal account for payment?


Thanks

Jeff

[Jeff Davison]

Another thought,

at least for us Yanks.

End of year means property tax payments and Federal and State income tax (for thos of us that either owe or pay because of self employment) and the holiday gift giving season.


This is REALLY a bad time of year for cash flow reasons.

Jeff

[guy mayers]

Hi Jeff, yes possibly! You could send the money to my personal Paypal account but it would have to be in Sterling and you would have to add a something to cover the transfer charges that Paypal make. If you want me to look into this I will. Anything over from the payment would get send straight back to your Paypal account. This may be a cheaper option than a bank draft cheque.

The question is - do you trust me? and why does that sound like Clint Eastwood?

If you decide you want to go that route email me at guymayers@blueyonder.co.uk and I will let you have my Pappal account name. Please also note it takes 4 working days to transfer from my Paypal account to my current account and then another day to transfer to the SEC Wheels Project Account.

Guy

[guy mayers]

To Jeff & John - I know it's a bad time of the year with Christmas coming etc, not to mention the taxman! That said, is there ever a good time to have to pay bills? We didn't start the project back in June thinking it would take this long but unfortunately that is what has happened. We all hope that you will still both be able to join the consortium, as to the deadline, we'll all have to wait until then to see what happens. I guess that if we are only a few sets short the go decision will be made and we will hope to pick up the balance between ordering the tooling to be made and the confirmation of the number of wheels to be produced.
Guy

[Jeff Davison]

never a good time, but I just spent $3500 on a carbon/carbon clutch for the 308 that's going in the Strat.

It would be kinda nice to stretch out the major component purchases.

Jeff

[guy mayers]

Ok, here's some good news for a change! If you can get full payment to my Paypal account in Sterling I can transfer it free of charge to my current account in 7 working days.
I would acknowlege receipt into my Paypal account immediately i find out about it and let you know when it was transferred from my account to the SEC Wheels account.

If anyone else wants to use this option please let me know.

Guy Mayers
Treasurer
Stratos Enthusiasts Club

[JohnB_SPY8808053]

Thanks for the reply Guy.

With Christmas and Taxes, I'm just not sure I can squeeze the tires into my budget by Jan 1. Feb 1 would be a LOT better for me at least. I can't speak for anyone else though.

Will do my best - let me think about it a bit.

John B.


PS - I'd humbly suggest that paying our membership dues via PayPal would also be very convenient.

[Jeff Davison]

I think I can manage a set :)

Talked with my financial advisor and with a small tax penalty I can dip in and take a withdrawl from my IRA.

Stay tuned Guy.

Jeff

[guy mayers]

Ok will do Jeff - If you are going to use the Paypal route please let me know in advance and email me a copy of your order form so I know exactly what you are ordering. If it works there is no reason why we shouldn't be able to accept Paypal for our renewals.
Guy

[guy mayers]

I have looked into the Paypal route for paying for subs or wheels and there is a 2.2% charge levied on my account for Paypal receipts. This means that for a set of Stradale wheels you would have ot send roughly £1180 or £1385 if you have to pay VAT. Corresponding figures for the Gp4 package are £1535 and £1805. Please bear this in mind when checking the cost of a direct transfer or raising an international cheque!
Guy

[guy mayers]

As a final update this week we have received orders and payments from Tryphon and Mark Cowling for a set of Stradale wheels and a Gp4 package respectively.
Things are rolling along nicely - if you'll excuse the pun!
Guy

[Andrew Way]

I see from the spec sheet that the wheels will be supplied powder coated. Will they be vacuum impregnated first?

[guy mayers]

I'll ask the manufacturer and post the answer when I get it.
Guy

[rutthenut]

Guy,

I sent an email on the topic, but I wondered if you'd looked at the payments services offered by Western Union?

Not the electronic version (bidpay or some such provider, who charge extra for UK/GBP currency), but the service offered by agents worldwide. See www.westernunion.com for details, but it should allow a GBP figure to be specified for you to collect (in person, with relevant id, etc) and for the payment to be made in local currency to an overseas agent. Pass along the reference, plus full name and amount details, then go and collect. May be a delay for larger sums on collection though, I'm not sure.

If anyone has any experience - good or bad - of this service, then please post your comments as to whether it is worth looking into as a means of handling overseas payments and currency conversions into GBP.

Cheers all,

[guy mayers]

Hi John, yes I have looked into this and it would probably work BUT I think it will mean having to specify a branch to send the funds to and that means predicting where I'm going to be working AND relies upon me actually having sufficient time during the working day to go and collect it.
I don't want to sound negative but there is enough hassle already.
The easiest way to receive funds is by direct transfer to the account or by sending a Sterling cheque to me. The third option of Paypal direct to me is also possible and Scott has used that to pay his subs so it works fine. I am aware that any route is going to cost someone a little extra something but that's just the way of the world and I don't think it will put anyone off buying a set of wheels.
Tryphon has already used the direct transfer route and that works great, I can check it on line and issue receipts immediately and I feel that is the safest way to get the orders paid for.
If anyone wants to pay in a particular manner I will happilly look into it but I think the options we have offered are probably the most effective way of doing it.
What with the way exchange rates seem to be moving at the moment it might be better to just make the transfers sooner rather than later!
Guy

[guy mayers]

Hi Andrew, having asked the question I have the following reply which I hope answers your questions!

Dear Guy,

Interesting question...

Vacuum impregnation is used for wheels that leak air... It is a form of filling the holes in the rim part of a wheel with a silicone product so that the wheel becomes air tight .


Maybe this is something that is a problem with Magnesium wheels... But haven't heard of it being used on Aluminium wheels since the days of sand casting back in the 1970's.

All our wheels are pressure tested here in our factory prior to painting. If a wheel is found to be porous then we simply melt it down in our foundry...

I hope that this answers your question.

Regards Barry

[Andrew Way]

back in the 1970's

I always new I was behind the times! My question was really in respect of the wheels being powder coated as it can blister if there is any trapped air behind it when stoved. I'm sure this isn't a problem though for this type of casting, it really applies to coarse grain sand castings.

Thanks for the reply though.

[guy mayers]

Ok Andrew. We all learn from other peoples experience but it is always good to get a prompt reply that is not condescending from someone who knows what they are talking about. I hope it gives more encouragement to join the consortium!
Guy.

[Andrew Way]

Guy,

I really need a set of those wheels but I've got problems with the timing! I'm trying to sort something out but I realise I've only got a few weeks left.

Andrew.

[guy mayers]

Another progress report - we have just received our tenth order, this one from Chris Smith for a set of Group 4 wheels so, more than a third of the way there now.
Guy

[rutthenut]

Originally posted by guy mayers
Hi John, yes I have looked into this and it would probably work BUT I think it will mean having to specify a branch to send the funds to and that means predicting where I'm going to be working AND relies upon me actually having sufficient time during the working day to go and collect it.
I don't want to sound negative but there is enough hassle already.

Fair enough Guy, certainly not negative but just considers the practicalities (or otherwise) of this type of payment method.

As you say, direct transfer payments have to be the best mechanism to use.

This also removes further possible complications in transfers going to a club rather than an individual, so it looks like Western Union is not suitable for this type of transaction - even disregarding the additional hassle and possible delays that may cause.

All the best,

[tryphon]

Next week I will contact other Stratos owners here in Switzerland (I know 3 at least) to ask of they're interested in a set of wheels.
I'll let you know as soon as possible but chances are some more orders will be coming in very soon.

Cheers,

[guy mayers]

Tryphon - you are a star - with the orders that we know about and payments on the way I think we are close to reaching the target. There are a few for whom the deadline is a problem and I have included them in the list so, even if we don't make the target by the original date, I am sure that we will before long! A couple of extra orders now should only help confirm the project as viable!
Guy

[Vince Abbott]

Hello Guy,

Thanks for the phone call the other night, I would have been gutted to miss out on the chance of finally getting a set of original style wheels. The cheque went in the post this morning so I hope you should have it by tomorrow.

I took some pic's of my Grp IV dash at the weekend so I'll email those to you soon.

Vince.

[guy mayers]

Not exactly earth shattering news but we had some interest on the account today! Total was £5.52 and I have done a quick calculation based on who paid how much and when with the result that everyone who has paid so far has had a little added to their total, ranging from 24p for Chris Smith, the last banking before the interest was added to 80p for Geraint, Phil & myself! Well, it's better than a poke in the eye with a blunt stick! I think we will be getting interest monthly but don't expect it to pay for the delivery!
Cheers
Guy

[guy mayers]

Final update for this week - it's been a slow one for a change with just the one order and payment for a set of Gp4 wheels from Vince Abbott. I am aware of a couple of electronic transfers pending from outside the UK and when they arrive I will let you all know. With the enquiries we know are likely to turn into orders I think we are not far off now! Keep watching!
Guy

[GMC]

Guy,
I know on the news letter you gave dimensions for the rims, but since I do not understand the offset ET 10. Can any tell me the measuremnet from where the rims sits against the hub to the outside of the rim - 8" rim

Gerard Mc Carthy

[guy mayers]

Ok Gerrard - (but if anyone disagrees with me please post you view!)
The ET dimension described is the distance from the hub mounting face to the centre line of the wheel.
So, on an 8 inch rim it would be 4 inches PLUS 10mm.
For the 12 inch rim it would be 6 inches LESS 34mm.

Please bear in mind that I'm an accountant not an engineer so can someone with more gifts than me please confirm this??

Another thought is that whilst the rim width is 8 inches this is the width at the tyre bead seating so the wheel rim will be slightly wider than this.

I would like to say that my car currently runs 8 inch Compomotive TS 501 rims on the front fitted with Pirelli 225*50*15 tyres without fouling the inner arches or the edges of the bonnet, but it is tight! I would like to fit mudflaps to the front sometime but this might not be possible!
Cheers
Guy

[GMC]

Thank you Guy, I did not know that the 10 or 34 were milimeters. but by any chance would it be the other way around ? take the 12" wheel for example, 6" less 34mm that would mean that there was more of the rim going inwards than dished out ?
The reason I need to make this clear to myself is that want to know would the 8" rims fit under my CAE - looks like they will not fit the front ?
Gerard.

[guy mayers]

Hi Gerard - I will check with the manufacturer and get back to you though from pictures of the CAE and my memory the wheels are very shallow on the outside and deep on the inside. If this is the case I doubt that the 8" wheels will fit the front of the CAE. I will let you know the answer as soon as I get it, I hope they will fit as it would be one set closer to production!
Cheers
Guy

[guy mayers]

Hi Gerard - I've had a reply from the manufacturer which confirms my earlier post on the subject of offsets. I hope this is of some use but suspect that it's no cosolation - I don't think the original wheels will fit the front of a CAE. But that doesn't stop you ordering half a set.......
Guy

[guy mayers]

Mid week update.............
The orders continue to come in slowly in the mad rush up to Christmas. Chris Richards has ordered a set of Stradale wheels today which takes the total up to 12 sets (7 Gp4 and 5 Stradale plus one spare rim!) and means we have over £19000 in the consortium fund account. We are getting close now with the orders I know are pending/in the post.
Now is the time to join if you haven't made your intentions clear!!
Happy Christmas
Guy

[Sando]

Guy this may help, I pulled it from one of the wheel manufacturers web sites some time ago. Knew it would come in handy one day!

cheers
Rob:cool:

[guy mayers]

Thanks Rob - I don't want to know which manufacturers site that was from but the diagram looks exactly like the one that went out on the flyer/order form.
It's probable that Nico copied it for information as it was clear but, just in case they are the prospective manufacturers, please don't publish the name as it is confidential information between the Commitee and Gerry.
Guy

[Sando]

Yep understood.
I very nearly did, but thought better of it. .....phew!
Rob

[GMC]

Sorry to kept asking the same questions but I am a bit slow on this subject, which side is minus and plus ?
Gerard.

[guy mayers]

Hi Gerard - this is the email text I got from the manufacturers :-

Guy,

Good news about the deposits coming your way...

Close...regarding offsets.
What you need to do is measure the total width of a wheel including the kerb edges. Divide it by 2 to get the half way line of a wheel.
For example the 12 x 15 measures 329mm divided by 2 = 164mm.
Then put the wheel face down on a flat surface with a straight edge across the back rim of the wheel. Measure the distance down to the mounting face from this straight edge - we call this the T dimension . In this case it is 130 mm.
Then as you say it's a simple calculation of deducting 130mm from 164mm = 34mm. As the T dimension in this case is less than 50% of the wheels width it is said to be et - 34.

If for example the T dimension was 198 mm then the et would be et 34 .

Regards Barry


So - for the 8 inch rim the T dimension of +10 is half the width of the wheel plus 10mm from the inner rim to the mounting surface.
Basically, if you look at the generic diagram above it would show a front wheel. If it were a rear wheel the mounting surface would be to the right of the centreline.
Cheers
Guy

[chris.richard]

Originally posted by guy mayers
Chris Richards has ordered a set of Stradale wheels today

I have?

Maybe the wife is going to surprise me for Christmas, but I doubt it! Must be one of the other Chris's. Or is there another Chris Richard?:confused:

[guy mayers]

Fortunately there is only one Chris Richard.
BUT we do have a Chris Richards and he HAS ordered and paid for a set! Chris Richards is based in Eastbourne!
Sorry to disappoint you! A set of these wheels would be a PERFECT CHRISTMAS PRESENT! (aimed at those whose partners haven't sorted them out yet!)
Guy

[guy mayers]

Today is the day if your first name is Chris!
I have received the thirteenth order for a set of wheels today. Chris Jarvis has placed an order for a set of Gp 4 wheels............
Which is a little odd as Chris hasn't got a car at the moment! This must be either speculation (probably a very wise investment) or a possible entry in next years Turner Prize or the best coffee table bases ever!
I actually think it's the start of parts collecting for the next build! So, thanks for the order Chris - it's one more nearer the total. One week to Christmas and the target is getting close!
Cheers
Guy

[guy mayers]

And the final update for this week brings news of the 14th set of wheels ordered. Marc Fernandes from Spain gas ordered a set of Gp4 wheels for his original Stratos. Just a few more orders and the project will be going ahead I think!
Cheers
Guy

[roberto cassett]

Hi guys, I'm sorry to write this message that maybe will cause you some troubles but please consider my position; I've spent a very large amount of money in jigs, tools etc. I must stay in the market.

We already remade accurate replicas of the "Coffin Spoke" Campagnolo wheels used on the Group 4 Lancia Stratos, both in magnesium and aluminium.
At the moment sizes available are: 8” X 15” and 9” X 15” but new jigs are in construction now and we’ll have in January the following sizes: 10” X 15” and 12” X 15”, both in magnesium and aluminium.
Prices are fixed at Euro 450.00 each for the 8” X 15” aluminium and Euro 550.00 each for the 8” X 15” magnesium. Euro 500.00 each for the 9” X 15” aluminium and Euro 600.00 each for the 9” X 15” magnesium.
Similar prices will be available for the 10” X 15” and 12” X 15”.
Please check our website www.lancia-stratos.com

[guy mayers]

Hi Roberto - competition is a good thing! I have a question for you though. What PCD are your wheels? The originals are 108mm, are yours able to be drilled for 98mm?
Guy

[tryphon]

Roberto's rear (the larger than 8" width) wheels are not exact copies of the original. Pictures of these wheels have been posted in a relative thread.
The club is producing exact replicas.

[roberto cassett]

Probabily you saw a picture of an early production wheel. The new production is exactely original style.

Merry Christmas to everybody.
Roberto Cassetta.

[guy mayers]

Roberto - do your fixed prices include VAT/Taxes and what is the likely shipping cost from Italy to the UK and can the wheels be drilled for 98mm PCD? Do you have any new pictures you can post on this thread of the front and rear 12" wheels?
Guy

[guy mayers]

Probably the final sales update this week - unless you know better!

Following a conversation with Mike Sendall (out of the blue!) I am now aware of another cheque in the post to me right now. Since I know Mike well I am happy to let you all know about this before I receive the funds.

The orders are up to 15 sets in total, breaking down to 10 Group 4 sets (1 set in 108mm for an original, 1 set in 108mm for a replica, 8 sets in 98mm for replicas) and 5 sets for Stradale (2 sets in 108mm for original and 3 sets in 98mm for replicas) plus one far sighted individual who has ordered a spare. Total is 41 front wheels and 20 rears.

On top of that there are at least 3 further sets likely to be ordered from people who have expressed a very serious interest on this and the Campagnolo thread PLUS I am aware of 2 further sets that may be bought speculatively for future sale or for parts stock for future builds PLUS whatever stock Gerry intends holding.

On this basis, and from conversations with Gerry the project is now viable.

So, if you have expressed an interest and are still serious NOW is the time to come forward.

Guy

[Jeff Davison]

Guy,

sorry for some bad news, but I really can't swing a set this go-round.

If I take money out of my IRA, I'll get penalized 30% tax. It will also knock me into a higher tax bracket for my entire income. Also the exchange rate from USD to GBP is not favorable plus 6% paypal will bring my end of the day cost to around $1000 per corner. ouch. Needless to say I've got to pay my property taxes next week and first installment of my estimated taxes for '04, I will have to wait awhile for the pleasure of spending discreciinary income. Such is life..........

Jeff

[guy mayers]

Ok Jeff, thanks for letting us know. Do you know if John or Scott are any nearer a decision?
Guy

[mogul_x]

Originally posted by guy mayers
Do you know if John or Scott are any nearer a decision?

Guy,

I would very much like to place an order for a set of wheels, but I'm not sure I can swing it right now. As Jeff mentioned, the exchange rate is less than favorable at the moment, and there's the Christmas spending this time of year.

Compounding my problems are the fact that I recently bought a Lancia Scorpion (which I am now regretting) and I just totalled my Camaro after a wild ride on some ice a week or so ago. (hence the regret about the Scorpion)

If it weren't for the accident, I'd be all over the wheels, but as it stands.... I don't think I'll be able to manage the full amount in advance. Need the cash for repairing / replacing the Camaro

How much longer before a final decision is needed?

[JohnB_SPY8808053]

I'm sorry - I want very much to help Gerry and the club (not to mention getting a really nice set of wheels) but I can't make any major purchases until April. :(

John B.

[guy mayers]

Hi guys, I don't know what the current position is now, we had hoped that two of you would order but understand the position entirely. I personally think that the deadline may have to be extended to the end of January but that isn't my decision to make. If the rest of the orders surface by the end of December that will be it. Watch this space.
Guy

[mogul_x]

Originally posted by guy mayers
we had hoped that two of you would order... but I personally think that the deadline may have to be extended to the end of January

Well, if the deadline is postponed, that will improve my chances of placing an order. The longer the delay, the more likely I'll have the cash to place the order.;)

Seriously, though, I probably could put aside enough money by the end of January for an order. Assuming I don't total another daily driver.... please keep me posted.

On a related topic... What was the approximate time frame for delivery? I only ask because one of my co-workers is currently an expat in the UK, and will be returning 'Stateside in about 15 months. I had hoped to have the wheels shipped to his flat, so they can be shipped back to the 'States for free with his furniture.

Guy, E-mail me offline if you'd prefer to discuss things privately.

Thanks,

[guy mayers]

Last update for this year and the news could be better!

So far the number of orders stands at 15 sets plus one spare front wheel. Total is 41 fronts and 20 rears. The orders have remained static for a week now and there are no further orders in the pipeline that I know about. There are a couple of people willing to speculate but only if this will tip the project into viability.
At this point in time the extra orders won't do this.

Gerry has therefore made the decision to postpone the closing deadline until 31st January 2004.

Should enough further orders be received in the coming weeks to make it viable we will go ahead immediately but keep the order book open until the end of January so everyone can benefit from the introductory price.

As I have always said, anyone who wishes to drop out of the consortium can do so at any time, no questions asked, but I hope you will all decide to wait another month with me.

This delay may also give Roberto Cassetta time to finalise his production of his rear wheels and let us have firm alternative prices for complete sets. We are still waiting for his confirmation of the availability of 98mm PCD fittings etc but we would not order wheels from him until we were satisfied about the technical details, product liability etc and furthermore, without explicit agreement from all consortium members. We would also probably want to see sample wheels to confirm quality.

If you have already ordered a set, please consider ordering a spare wheel. Enough single wheels could make extra sets and the extra month makes it easier financially!

So, watch this space and get in touch if you are even thinking about ordering a set of wheels so we know where we stand.

Happy New Year
Guy

[JohnB_SPY8808053]

With the extended deadline I _might_ be able to get a set before April.

Will do my best.

John B.

[roberto cassett]

Sorry for delay in my answer; Christmas, work and some days in the bed with fever……
My wheels PCD is mm. 108, I’ve checked better and I think that machine the wheels with mm. 98 PCD is possible but I should modify the jigs.
Actually, with mm. 108 PCD, the magnesium (or aluminium) between the stud and the wheel cup badge holes is mm. 12.
With mm. 98 PCD this magnesium (or aluminium) structure would reduced of about 50% as the distance between the stud and the wheel cup badge holes would be nearer about mm. 5.
I can’t guarantee that those wheels would be safe.
I think that the only possibility is modify the jigs in order to have the same magnesium (or aluminium) structure of mm. 12 between the stud and the wheel cup badge holes using mm. 98 PCD.
You know that most expansive thing are the jigs so, please, consider my offer:
You’ll reproduce mm. 98 PCD wheels with proper jigs and I’ll supply only mm. 108 PCD wheels.
That’s means also that you won’t reproduce mm. 108 PCD wheels and I won’t reproduce mm. 98 PCD wheels.
I think you’re most interested in replica STRATOS wheels and I’m most interested in real STRATOS wheels, so why remake the same thing in U.K. and in Italy ?
I’m ready to write an agreement about all above and I’m ready to agree to supply to you the mm. 108 PCD that you already sold (are they 12 front and 4 rear ?) at your price, if my samples will suite you.
NO VAT.
Transport from Torino to U.K. for 16 wheels would be about £ 200- – 250- that means only £ 12- / 15- per wheel.

What do you think ?

Happy new year !
Roberto.

[guy mayers]

Sorry for the delay in replying to the previous postings, but as some of you know, I have had a couple of bereavements over the New Year period and things have had to take a back seat for a while.

I have contacted the owners of the original cars who are part of the consortium at the moment to let them know about Roberto Cassettas option for their cars and am currently awaiting their replies.

So far, of the three, one has confirmed his order with us and the other two have yet to confirm receipt of the email.

I have, from the start of this project, said to everyone who has joined, or is contemplating joining the consortium that it is their decision who they buy their wheels from and that they are free to change their minds at any point.

The money sent to the club is merely held on trust on their behalf until the time we commit to production and nothing has happened or will happen to change that whilst I am entrusted with the control of other peoples money.

Should the project not reach the target the all funds will be returned but I am more confident now than at any point that the target will be acheived by the end of January. I hope to be able to post further details on the orders I am expecting this week at the weekend.

There may be further important news at the weekend following a meeting between Gerry and the wheel manufacturer at the Autosport Show, NEC on Friday so watch this space.

Guy Mayers
Treasurer
SEC

[Jeff Davison]

I'm still trying, but the f*ing dollar keeps dropping. :(

Looks like by the end of January the it'll take two USD to make one GBP

Let's NOT talk about the dollar vs. the Euro.

Jeff Davison

[guy mayers]

Jeff, you have my sympathy - I just wish I'd picked the USA for a skiing trip in February instead of Canada! Still, the way it's going is making a Halda Speedpilot a little cheaper for me! No consolation but I hope you can make the order by the end of January.
Guy

[guy mayers]

Ok everyone, there is some further news to add this week. I have had a further order from Jean-Claude Charvin for a set of Gp4 wheels with confirmation that the funds are on the way to us.
I have had a further letter this morning from an owner who is trying to decide between a Stradale set and a Gp4 set, a phone conversation earlier in the week indicated a likely order for 6 wheels from the same person but I am waiting for final confirmation and the order.

Gerry attended the Autosport show at the NEC and met the manufacturer where the status of the order book was discussed and a decision based on that plus the likely outstanding orders and a stock for Gerry was made.

That decision was that the project is viable and a verbal agreement was made to proceed with the project. This will be confirmed in writing next Friday.

Nico and I will now be writing to each consortium member to confirm that the wheels will be produced. At this point we will need to release a substantial part of the funds to finance the tooling which will amount to one third of each consortium members order. That will be sent to Gerry at the end of next week.

Production of the moulds will then proceed and our order made for delivery to Gerry for the end of February we hope.

The order book will remain open until the end of January but it is now even more important that anyone who is contemplating joining the consortium makes their decision sooner rather than later and lets us know.

Gerry has also asked me to let anyone who has ordered a Stradale set and was contemplating changing to Gp4 that the square arch extension kit can be supplied by him to consortium members only for the special price of £100plus VAT.

Finally, does anyone know if the centre caps are still available with the Lancia "L" on them? I am sure that they are the same size as the later Beta ones, and, assuming they were originally fitted to the coffin spoke wheels and are unavailable now should we be considering their remanufacture as well as the next project?

Guy

[tryphon]

Hi,

Great news, I'm sending an additional order for 2 12"x15" wheels.

F.Y.I. This is the center cap that came with the Campagnolo wheels...

[guy mayers]

Thanks for the news Tryphon and the picture of the campagnolo centre cap. It's the same as the Tecnomagnesio one but for the script so I guess that ends that project unless anyone is looking for stradale bits!
Guy

[tryphon]

I think Omicron have the Stradale center caps as well as the "Campagnolo" stickers that were appointed onto the original Campagnolo Stradale wheels.

[Jeff Davison]

Another dip in the exchange rate :(

NOT looking good.

Maybe Gerry's manufacturer could have them made in the US as it would make it cheaper for the rest of you since our $ is so weak!

Jeff

[guy mayers]

And according to what I read in the newspapers on this side of the Pond it isn't going to recover soon, talk is of a $2:£1 exchange rate soon which is only going to make things worse for people importing to the USA and holidays over there even better value for us.

On a more relevant note I have been informed today by Nico that he has decided to place an order for a second set of wheels and that Ken Tomblin (whose original wheels were borrowed for copying) has decided to order a set. This brings the total to 18 complete sets plus one spare front and two spare rears. I suspect that the announcement of the start of production will bring a few more orders.

Guy

[guy mayers]

Last update this week is for January's interest! £17.81 which will be apportioned between the consortium members based on the time their money has been held since the last interest. The interest will be used to pay part of the shipping costs of the wheels.
Guy

[mogul_x]

Guy,

Out of curiosity, do you have a good feel for what the price of these wheels will be after the introductory price expires? In the very first message on this thread, Nico mentions "at least £200 more". Is that per wheel, or per set of 4?

In my case, a set of Stradale wheels at the introductory price of £1150 works out to about $2125 at the current rate of $1.85:£1. If the price per set increases to £1350, the exchange rate has to fall back down to about $1.57:£1 for it to be a break even proposition.

Obviously, if the increase is much more than £200 per set, it may be a very long time before they will be cheaper than they are right now, even with the unfavorable exchange rate.

Please let me know. I haven't given up on ordering a set before the January 31 deadline... but it's an uncomfortable stretch given my current situation. If only I hadn't wrecked the Camaro :rolleyes:

Thanks,

[guy mayers]

Hi Scott - my understanding of the situation was that the additional price would be for a set of wheels. An extra £200 per wheel takes the price to the level of the competition, not what Gerry wants, even if our product might be technically better. However, at the moment we have 16 sets paid for with a couple in the pipeline which means that the tooling costs aren't fully covered and Gerry may raise the goalposts a little further as he is going to have to cover this from his own resources.
I fully understand your position, the exchange rate fluctuations help nobody but the money men! I still hope you will be able to join us by the end of January, lets see what the coming couple of weeks brings.
Guy

[mogul_x]

Guy,

When you say "raise the goalposts" - does this indicate the possibility of another deadline extension, or a revision in the pricing structure?

[guy mayers]

It means a price rise Scott, the deadline for receiving orders/payment is 31st January as the decision to manufacture has been made. We expect the tooling to be done around the end of January at which point we have to let the manufacturers have the final specification lists - numbers/PCD/finish.
Guy

[guy mayers]

I can now confirm that payment from Tryphon for an additional order for two rear wheels has been received and that Jean-Claude Charvin has ordered a set of Group 4 wheels. Nico has also ordered and paid for a SECOND set of group 4 wheels so that now makes 17 full sets plus two rears and one front spare with at least one more order to come by the end of January for probably 6 wheels!
Guy

[guy mayers]

Some news for everyone in the consortium, Gerry has been sent one third of the total an accordance with the agreemants to finance the tooling for the project so things are starting to move along now!
Guy

[roberto cassett]

Good morning to everybody.

Congratulations for your success in collecting orders for the wheel rims.

I’d like to play my last card trying to avoid that someone else will produce the jigs.

Yesterday I had a long meeting with the foundry owner, the foundry casting chief, the foundry engineer and the jigs maker.
After this meeting I’m now ready to offer you the "Coffin Spoke" Campagnolo wheels used on the Group 4 Lancia Stratos as follow:

£800 for four 8" wheels and £1100 for 2 8" and 2 12" wheels. Additional or single 8” wheels are £220.

NO VAT

With this offer I put you in the condition to save about £ 10,000 + VAT.

The wheels will be made by one of the top Italian racing wheels manufacturer and quality will be the best.
8” and 9” jigs are ready and I already produced several wheels in magnesium and aluminium.
The first wheels have been X-ray tested and cutted to check the thick.
The wheels will be machined with digital controlled machines with ORIGINAL CAMPAGNOLO TECHNICAL DRAWN.
The wheels will be 100% as original

Before payment a sample will be sent to you.

I can offer the same wheel in magnesium for a little higher price.

I can also offer 9” size and probably 10” size.

If you’ll accept my offer I’ll modify my jigs for 98 mm. PCD.

I can’t do more than this.

I hope you’ll consider this offer. Believe or not I wouldn’t have any profit from this business and I would loose some money but what’s important for me is that there isn’t a competitor that sells the wheels at the cost.
There’s still some other competitor that remade jigs and the wheels but they aren’t selling them at cost. I can compete with them, not with you……

Anyway thanks for your attention to this matter.

Roberto Cassetta.

[roberto cassett]

I forgotten to say that the wheels will be machined in Bologna at the same company who machined them for CAMPAGNOLO originally.
That's why we'll use original CAMPAGNOLO technical drawns.

[roberto cassett]

One more thing: Owners of road car (original or replica) may be interested in fitting 8" wheels at the front and 9" at the rear.
With this configuration the car looks beautyful !!!

[Randle Roberts]

I will chip in my two cents on the repro wheel subject and just say I have had only good dealings with Mr. Cassetta and have seen first hand his efforts to get reproduction parts done correctly. The wheels I get must be magnesium (that damn originality thing!). I know dedicated people have put a lot of effort into getting these wheels reproduced which is no small task for a small target market. Roberto has spent a lot of time and effort to reproduce many of the parts for the original Stratos and knows the cars so well. I would have confidence in his getting the details right. Again, only my .02c

[guy mayers]

Hi Roberto, despite everything posted the killer is the fact that you stated that your wheels couldn't be drilled in a 98mm PCD and guaranteed safe for the replicas.

We did inform everyone who has ordered the 108mm wheels of your option but none notified us that they wanted to change their orders.

A week ago all consortium members were notified that the project had reached viability and that the order for the tooling would be placed this week.

This happened today and production for those members within the consortium is going to happen.

That doesn't preclude anyone contemplating the purchase of wheels from making their mind up about who to buy from in the future. I suspect that the production run we are embarking on will be the only one.

The final decision has been made by Gerry in accordance with the terms we agreed upon at the start of the project some 6 months ago and unless he decides that it isn't in his best commercial interests we are now tied to the UK manufacturer.

Guy

[roberto cassett]

First of all I’d like to say thank you very much to Randle Roberts for his kind words.
Randle is a VERY GOOD customer but, most of that, is a VERY GOOD friend.

Guy, thanks for your effort in this matter.
Sorry that you can’t stop the production, even just after some hours that you confirmed the start of it.
As you can seen, I can’t offer in future my wheels at the quotation offered: (£800 for four 8" wheels and £1100 for 2 8" and 2 12" wheels. Additional or single 8” wheels are £220, NO VAT) if you’ll produce jigs and your wheels.
As explanned with my offer, I was going to loose some money but my target was to avoid a competitor that sells the wheels at the cost.
Also those quotations were possible only with a special agreement with the wheel manufacturer for a quantity of about 20 / 25 sets. (5 / 8 sets would be destinated to my stock).
So, thank you for suggest to STRATOS owners that they’d buy some more wheels from me, or someone else, in future, but I hope they’ll understand that the quotations, offered by me, were applicable only this time for this particular deal.
So I’m sorry for people like Randle Roberts that would prefer different alloy magnesium instead aluminium or for people who would prefer different sizes or, much more, better price. Their order will be very welcome.
Not at that quotations.

Best regards to everybody and good luck !
Roberto Cassetta.

[guy mayers]

Hi Roberto, thanks for all your efforts with this project, I am sorry that you didn't appreciate the quantites likely to be ordered at the start of our project. Had you been able to come up with similar prices at the start then we probably wouldn't be where we are today with a contract signed with a UK manufacturer.

We fully appreciate that the prices you have quoted would be for a bulk order and will not be repeatable to individual customers.
Indeed, we have EXACTLY the same problem, which is why later wheels will be more expensive despite our tooling costs having been paid for by the consortium. The factory will require minimum numbers to be ordered to interrupt their full production schedules. It is my understanding that the set up and heating of the moulds requires a considerable amount of time which explains the reason why.

I actually think that this will be our only production run for the foreseeable future which is why I am trying to encourage those who have ordered to buy a spare wheel or two on the premise that spares you have are never needed. Furthermore, I do not see Gerrys versions as being direct competition to yours as his stocks (however many he decides on) will be drilled in 98mm PCD to suit the Alfa Romeo bolt pattern that the kit uses now.

I don't know what the next item that our club members will decide that they want to remanufacture will be. Personally I have always wanted glass side windows but the tooling costs, whilst not of wheel proportions, are significant. Likewise, we don't yet know what original owners are looking for to put into their spares chests but perhaps we can all learn from this?

At the end of the day there are possibly more replicas out there, either built or under construction, than original cars, so the market is growing and whilst not all replica owners would want everything we could offer some will. So, with that in mind, lets learn from this and try to help one another through collaboration through the website on future projects.

Guy

[stableblock]

Hi
Could someone give a summary of what's involved in going from 4 stud to 5 stud. Currently beta / 132 hubs / brakes etc

I'd like to understand the whole picture before I finally make my mind up.

Thanks

[guy mayers]

Ok, the big expense is obviously the wheels themselves but whilst the brake set up you are currently running is fine for an basic Beta engined car if you are running an Alfa the spec is marginal for road use and inadequate for any sort of track or competition use. That means that you are going to have to uprate the brakes at some time in the future anyway. That will mean bigger discs and probably four pot callipers on the front and similar discs onthe rear. Gerrys kit is designed to use the Alfa 164 components now so they should bolt straight on. Obviously the hubs will need changing and Gerry will supply custom made fronts in 98mm PCD that take the Fiat 132 bearings adn Alfa discs, the rear hubs are Lancia Integrale with the same PCD. I think that's about it but I haven't got a clue as to the likely cost - I'm just going to have to replace the hubs and top hats on my car to convert to the 5 stud spec.
If you want to call to discuss this further my number is in the club magazines or send me a private email. The order book closes in less than 2 weeks and provisional quantites/specifications have already been passed to the factory.
Guy

[roberto cassett]

OK Guy, thanks for your answer.

On the other hand, I’m not so sad that you are going to produce the wheels by yourself, actually with the quotations of £800 for four 8" wheels and £1100 for 2 8" and 2 12" wheels. Additional or single 8” wheels are £220, NO VAT, I’d loose about £ 50 / 80 per set that on 17 / 20 sets would means about £ 1,000 that I considered an investment to haven’t one more competitor.
This is my small consolation……

Anyway consortium people may be interested to know that 10” and 12” wheels tools and jigs are on assembling now and I hope to see the first wheels before spring.

Concerning other STRATOS replica items, I’m always available to supply you an offer for parts that you’d like to reproduce in future.
As some of you know I live in Torino and 80% of industrial area is car spare parts producer, some of them are still the same who made parts for original STRATOS 30 years ago.
Asking me a quotation costs nothing…….

Regards to all you.
Roberto Cassetta.

[chris.richard]

Originally posted by roberto cassett
One more thing: Owners of road car (original or replica) may be interested in fitting 8" wheels at the front and 9" at the rear.
With this configuration the car looks beautyful !!!

Has anybody got 9" on a Stradale's rear end? Do they really fit, and what size of tyre will fit?

[tryphon]

I don't have 9" at the rear but I'm 100% sure they fit (90% that 10" will also fit).
These would be great with 255/40x15" tires fitted.

[guy mayers]

This weeks update so far - I have had confirmation that the money sent to Gerry has been sent to the Manufacturers and the tooling materials ordered. Production of the moulds is underway anytime now.
We have had a further paid order for a set of Gp4 wheels. Ken Tomblin has also ordered a set through Gerry and will pay him direct. We felt that this was not unreasonable as the project is now underway and ken was the person to lend the original wheels for copying.
That takes the total numbers ordered to 49 fronts and 30 rears, one front wheel short of 20 complete sets!
If you are a consortium member contemplating an additional spare wheel please place your order before the book closes in 11 days time. After that all orders should be addressed to Gerry. Hawkridge.
Cheers
Guy

[tryphon]

Hi,

Gerry's invoice is taken care of by the funds already provided am I right?

A request: Would it be possible, when you effectively send out the wheels, to quote a total price of less than 1000 euros? Just to avoid customs ripping me off?

Cheers,
Tryphon

[guy mayers]

Hi Tryphon, yes, Gerrys invoice covers the one third of the funds I have sent him from each consortium members contribution. He has to send the invoice to keep the VAT man happy. I will be sending the balance when the wheels are delivered to Gerry. Can I suggest a slightly sneaky way of getting the wheels past Customs? Come on over to the Clubs AGM in Oxfordshire at the Abingdon Carnival this year and take them home bolted to the car! As for the rest, you'll have to ask Gerry butt be warned, if you give a low customs declaration to avoid duty that invariably means a lower insured value to match. Difficult isn't it!
Cheers
Guy

[guy mayers]

The deadline for the wheels project is upon us and this week has seen the final orders for the first batch come through. The money is still outstanding at this date but we have received orders from Charly Cuenoud for a Gp4 package, Gerard McCarthy for a Stradale package and a further package for Scott McGill who may also order a spare. That will make 22 people ordering 23 sets! 60 front wheels and 32 rears. The "extra" set coming from individuals spares.
24 hours to go, if there's any change I'lll let you know!
Guy

[guy mayers]

Spoke way too soon! Jeff Davison has just sent money to my Paypal account for a set of Gp 4 wheels!

We had a hectic half hour with payments being sent to the wrong email address, retreived, sent to the right one, Paypal charging more than expected before it was all finally sorted out! The money is currently on the way to my personal account and will be in the wheels fund in a week!

62 F
34 R

[guy mayers]

Ok folks, that's it for this project! Bar manufacture and delivery of course!

The involvement of the Stratos Enthusiasts Club is now over and the consortium is officially closed to new members. All that remains is the forwarding of the funds at the appropriate time and the accounting for that money to the 23 members.

Anyone who hasn't joined the consortium but still wants a set must now order them through Gerry Hawkridge at Hawk Cars on his terms and conditions.

Whilst production is still pending anyone can still order wheels BUT the production run cannot be guaranteed to include them. This is because the factory will be doing one days production on each size of wheel and will keep pouring until either sufficient wheels are produced to satisfy the order OR the day ends. That means that they may produce excess numbers of wheels and it will be Gerrys decision as to the fate of those wheels. Either he has to pay to stock them or it is highly likely they will be melted down to raw material. It is my understanding that the 8" wheels will be produced first and will be done in larger numbers due to the smaller quantity of materials needed per wheel.

More news will be posted as I get it!
Guy

[guy mayers]

Not significant news really, except to the last three who joined the Consortium!
Charly Cuenouds payment for a set of Gp4 wheels arrived safely in the account last week. Scott McGill ordered a Stradale set plus one spare and Jeff Davison ordered a Gp 4 package. Both paid using my Paypal account and the transfer from there to my account to the wheel account has just been completed. Deposits of one third of their orders have been sant to Gerry who will mail out an invoice to each of them as usual so that they have paid on the same terms as everyone else.

And is this going to be the first thread withover 3000 views on the site?

Cheers
Guy

[Zarathustra]

Okay, wheel buyers...
Where are we going to get decent looking center caps for all these coffin spoke wheels?

Any ideas where to get the official Campagnolo embossed ones?

[Chris J]

I remember an Italian dealer at the Silverstone Coys meeting, had a wooden box full of these centre caps.

The thing is, the rally cars of the period never had any centre caps fitted. That's easy to copy?

[guy mayers]

We beleive Omicron may have a small supply of these discs. But I think they may be the Technomagnesio variety. We will have to look into it further!
Perhaps Roberto Cassetta has some or knows someone who does?
Guy

[guy mayers]

Ok guys and sceptics! I have just uploaded a picture into the photo gallery of the first tool to be made for the manufacture of the front Campagnolo Coffin Spoke wheel! It's after the initial cutting and still needs some detail work but you can see what it's going to make for us!
I'll post more as I get them.
Guy

[chris.richard]

Now can you tell us who is manufacturing them?

[guy mayers]

I will ask Gerry, I suspect that more than a few know by now and I do know of at least one customer who tried to go direct to the company to buy them cash out of the back door. The company involved politely turned them down and passed the enquiry on to Gerry who forwarded to me!
The person will not be named, who can blame him for trying! But, to my knowledge, he isn't a Club Member and hasn't contributed to this website yet.
Cheers
Guy

[guy mayers]

Ok Chris, and anyone else interested........ Having spoken to Gerry by email he has confirmed that there will be technical drawings of the wheels available for inspection at the Historic Motorsport show this weekend at Stoneleigh and that these drawings have the manufacturers name on them. So he can't keep a lid on it anymore! Some of those who have visited the show on the trade day will know by now that Compomotive Wheels of Birmingham are making them for us.
Hope this satisfies your curiosity!
Guy

[Jeff Davison]

So instead of "Campy's" were having "Compy's":D

JD Atlanta

[guy mayers]

I knew I'd regret letting the cat out of the bag.................

[chris.richard]

Well, at least we're doing something positive for cats for a change!:)

[Chris J]

Compomotive!

I was guessing it was them, because they do the Alfa 105 GTA Campag. replicas, don't they?

[guy mayers]

And very nice they were too when I saw them on a guided tour of the factory after dropping Kens wheels off!
Guy

[ANDYG]

Well, at least we're doing something positive for cats for a change!


Well, that should please CorseChris:D :D :D

Sorry Chris:rolleyes:

[CorseChris]

...and if I find out just who it was that put the cat in the bag in the first place, they are in serious trouble.:D


And for the more than normally confused of you out there, it might help to explain that I keep a surplus of cats....just ask Scott, who displayed a great deal of fortitude for someone allergic to cats when he stayed with us a couple of years ago.

[mogul_x]

Seven, wasn't it?:eek:

Ah...Ahh...AAAA-CHOOOO!!!!!

sniffle.... :D

[guy mayers]

Hi all, I've had an email from Gerry who tells me that the manufacture of the tooling for the rear wheels is about to start and that he expects the front wheels to be "poured" in about two weeks, after that I guess there's the machining of mounting surfaces and the drilling and sleeving of the bolt holes foloowed by a little paint.
No more news from me for the next two weeks - I'll be in Canada! So, if Nico hears anything I expect he will post for me!
Cheers
Guy

[Mark Cowling]

Hi all just a quiry about the ofsets listed as -34 for the rear and 10 for the front should this not be 34 and -10 ? Regards Mark.

[guy mayers]

For those of us interested - I have just posted a picture of the tooling currently being made by Compomotive for the rear wheels in the Gallery. Now that I'm back from holiday I will try to speak to Gerry over the weekend and post any further news then.
Guy

[guy mayers]

I received an email from Gerry who hopes to be at the factory Tuesday next week to witness the first front wheels being poured. Progress is being made. Gerry will also need some more funds towards the cost of the raw materials which I will release soon so expect a further "paid" invoice from in the next few weeks and hopefully some wheels soonish!
Guy

[guy mayers]

I had a couple of text messages from Gerry and a conversation with him this evening regarding progress with the wheels and have some news for everyone.

Gerry was at the Compomotive factory today to witness the pouring of the first wheel using the tooling for the fronts.

Unfortunately the first wheel out of the mold is not usable.

They cut it in half to check that all the thicknesses are correct. Gerry now has one half and Compomotive have retained the other half. Which is more than can be said of the second wheel as Gerry has stolen it in rough cast form. So, there will be one and a half wheels at the Essen show on the Club stand.
Everyone is welcome to come along and see them and help Nico out on the stand!

Compomotive are now in the process of machining a few of the trial run wheels to confirm everything is spot on before the actual production run happens. Gerry is going to email me some pictures, hopefully tomorrow, and these will appear in the photo section soon. The tooling for the rear wheels is now nearing completion according to Gerry and I hope to be able to visit the factory to witness the first ones coming out of the mould!

All of which means that I will be sending Gerry a further one third of everyones money early next week to cover the materials needed to complete the tooling and buy the raw alluminium needed to makethe wheels. Gerry will forward an invoice to each of you to cover the money he gets on your behalf from me. The finall installment should be payable on completion of production when Gerry will look into the logistics of delivery.

Guy

PS I haven't heard Gerry so ecstatic about a new product in YEARS as he is about the quality of the front wheels!

[guy mayers]

Does anyone know a source of the Campagnolo centre caps and retaining circlip?
We could do with at least one so Compomotive can measure everything to provide the retaining lip in the centre of the wheel. Plus I guess anyone with a stock will have a probable sale of 96 caps/circlips plus however many Gerry orders for his own stock!

This one is quite urgent so if you can help please step forward!
Guy

[Vince Abbott]

Hello Guy,

Luckly I purchased a set of wheel caps quite a few years ago, the overall diameter is 48.0mm and the material is 1.2mm thick - I hope this helps.

Vince.

http://pic2.picturetrail.com/VOL7/1542571/2948591/49026408.jpg

[guy mayers]

Thanks for the reply and picture Vincent, did you get the circlips that keep the caps in place as well? And where did you get them from and are they still available???
Guy

[guy mayers]

Please check out the Photo Forum for the two pictures I've just uploaded showing a very happy Gerry with the first wheel out of the mould!
Guy

[Vince Abbott]

Hello Guy,

I didn't get any retaining clips, I assumed they were a standard circlip but I'm not sure. I think I got the caps from either Omicron or Eurospares. Sorry I can't be more specific as it was about 10 years ago.

Vince.

[guy mayers]

Ok Vincent, thanks for that! At least we have a picture and some dimensions we can work from plus it gives Compomotive something to machine to and they may be able to source a suitable circlip as well. I have forwarded them to Gerry so he can talk to Compomotive.
Cheers
Guy

[Cloggie]

Re. the Center Caps, I spoke with Andrew Cliffe at Omicron last night and they are in the process of trying to re-originate these for a couple of their existing Customers so our call was well received. They are going to get back to us with their current sourcing situation by the end of the week, so I'll keep you updated....

I did advise them that Compomotive are also looking into making these so at least we've got a couple of potential routes to folow...

Cheers, Nico/

[colin artus]

Has anyone considered having these wheels polished and clear anodized instead of painted? Its probably sacreligious but its something that is possible with aluminium that isnt practical with magnesium.

[colin artus]

Has anyone considered having these wheels polished and clear anodized instead of painted? Its probably sacreligious but its something that is possible with aluminium that isnt practical with magnesium.


Colin

[guy mayers]

The first of the brand new replica "coffin spoke" Lancia Stratos wheels, straight from the dies. Barry Dixon (Compomotive Wheels), with two of his work force, allowed Gerry Hawkridge to witness the trial run. This is an 8 x 15 front, 12 x 15 will be cast next. We were all totally delighted with the results. The wheels were designed on the latest computerised equipment, and are very faithful to the original, but benefit from much later and better techniques which result in much improved symmetry and a much more even thickness, compared to the old sand cast methods. They are low pressure die cast in heat treated LM 25, which is very strong, and reliable. The machining is done on state of the art computer controlled lathes. They are available in Gold or Yellow, with choice of 98mm or 108mm pcd.
Compomotive Wheels, completed the entire project in house for HAWK CARS LTD. from drawings to completed product, "Barry Dixon was a pleasure to work with," said Gerry,"he was so enthusiastic, and helpful at every stage of the project, and the results are superb".

Best Regards Gerry Hawkridge

[Vince Abbott]

Hello Guy,

As you know I have an Alitalia replica and just wanted to confirm that my order is for yellow wheels on a 98 PCD (Alfa Romeo). To save having to paint wheels once they arrive were you or Gerry able to organise the correct shade of yellow as per the original 1976 / 77 cars?

Vince.

[Jeff Davison]

Guy,

I hope that the wheels aren't "too" perfect ;) It wouldn't be an exact replica (oxymoron?) then.:D

j/k Nothing was perfect out of Italy, but the "imperfections" added to the character.

We wouldn't want a "sterile" Stratos now, would we?

Jeff Davison

[guy mayers]

Hi Vincent, yes, your order has been processed as 98mm in yellow. We hope that the colour is going to be right, Gerry copied it from the David Sutton car but I don't think we can guarantee that it is 100% correct. If you prefer to change you order to a primer finish it's not too late but you'd have to be quick! I suggest that the best thing to do is wait until the yellow wheels arrive and repaint them if necessary. I do recall we asked at the start if anyone knoew the exact shade of yellow but we never found out!
Guy

[Vince Abbott]

Hello Guy,

That's great thanks, I'm sure my replica wheels as fitted aren't correct as long as these new ones are close it'll suit me fine. What tyres are people going for on a Grp IV car these days, I think my Pirelli P7 345's are a bit past their sell by date (Purchased in 1987).

Vince.

[guy mayers]

Just the updated version - Pirelli P-Zero 345*35*15 on the rear and 225*50*15 or 205*50*15 on the front. You shouldn't have any trouble getting them and their wet weather performance is far better on the Stratos than the equivalent Yokohamas. If you want slightly narrower tyres you should look around for a set of 285*40*15 but these are notoriously difficult to get.
Another alternative is the Michelin TB series mentioned on another thread, pricey and expect them to last 3000 miles max so really a track day tyre despite being road legal.
Guy

[guy mayers]

I've just uploaded a picture from Compomotive Wheels of the first front wheel to be completed and painted in Yellow for those interested! Check out the gallery.
Guy

[Jeff Davison]

deeeeeelicious

:)

glad I floated a set on my CC


Jeff

[guy mayers]

Hi all, Gerry has emailed me a picture of the tooling for the rear wheel under assembly at Compomotive this week, hopefully it won't be long before the first rears are cast. The picture is in the gallery as usual.
Gerry has also managed to source the centre caps and circlips as well as the Campagnolo logo for the rim from a supplier he met at the Essen show.
Guy

[guy mayers]

Hi all, I have just emailed everyone in the consortium who has ordered wheels. If you haven't received it yet please check your inboxes again! If it isn't there please email me at guymayers@blueyonder.co.uk and I will forward it to your new addresses! Delivery of Stradale packages should start in the next week (given allowances for the double bank holiday weekend) and production of the rears is expected any day now followed by testing and checking for fit.
I guess that means I'm off into the garage this weekend to get the car ready for it's annual MOT test and have a final blast on the old wheels before ripping it all apart to fit new bearings, hubs and wheels in time for Stoneleigh!
Cheers
Guy

[guy mayers]

Sorry everyone - forgot to mention in the email that if you require new wheel nuts they are available at cost through Gerry from Compomotive so are guaranteed to suit the angles on the inserts. Just let him know what thread size and pitch you need.
Guy

[guy mayers]

Hi all. the final installment for the wheels has been sent to Gerry today so he can pay Compomotive next week. Invoices should be arriving shortly after that to confirm that Gerry has had the last of your money. All that remains is the production of the rears and shipping in the not too distant future. (I'll post details as soon as I have them) I have also sent Gerry the interest earned on the account to date and I will let you all know by private email how much of that interest relates to each individual less the charges we suffered sending the money electronically at £6 each time. (But please give me a day or two to send them allout)
There are a few consortia members who overpaid at the start due to unknown exchange rate variances and I will let them know the breakdown individually.
Needless to say the net amounts won't pay the shipping! Totals range from a few coppers to £4.00! If anyone wants the numbers audited I can get Dave Watson to look over them when he does the club accounts, he's independant as he's not part of the consortium. Just let me know!
Cheers
Guy

[guy mayers]

Ok guys, all the emails regarding the delivery addresses and the emails for the credits on shipping have gone out. If you haven't found your notices please send me a private email and I will send you copies back.
The balance on the Deposit account is now zero but it will be kept open for general club use for the next consortium project.
Guy Mayers
Treasurer.

[Zarathustra]

Thank you Guy! You've done a great job of organization and keeping everyone informed. I'd like to thank Gerry and Nico as well. This hopefully will be the first of many successful projects.

[Chris J]

You're right, Guy has put in a lot of work to make this project run smoothly. It's when a Statos loving accountant really comes into his own.

Ken Tomblin needs a special mention too, for the loan of his precious Technomagnesios.

[guy mayers]

Thank you for your kind words but the whole thing was done on my part out of pure selfishness! But I would'nt be getting the wheels I've always wanted if it hadn't been for the rest of you guys! Nico is of exactly the same opinion by the way!

So, the thanks are not due to me but to all you fellow consortium members who placed your trust in Gerry and myself at the start. I hope it will not be the final collaboration, suggestions are welcome and there are a couple of threads running for this. We've done it once now, I'm sure that we can attract even more people for future projects now that everyone can see it works.

Thanks once again to everyone involved in whatever capacity with this consortium.
Guy

[guy mayers]

Won't be long now chaps!

Pictures of the first rear wheel out of the mould posted in the gallery! I'll post pictures of finished article when I get it!

Guy

[guy mayers]

Ok, but I'll only post when there is news!
I've just uploaded a picture of the rear wheels that have been cast so far. At least 21 in the picture plus what looks like a similar stack in the background that may have been partly machined. Our consortium ordered 34 plus Gerry has ordered a couple of sets for stock so it looks like there might be some overproduction. This was always a possibility as they just keep pumping them out while the moulds are hot in case there are problems found in testing the wheels. The defective ones are melted down. I don't yet know what will happen to the overproduction if there is any. It will probably be offered to Gerry or put on the shelf for future orders in an unmachined state as specs vary for PCD and colour.
Guy

[chris.richard]

5000? you'll be lucky - that's more than 5% more, and the topic is almost passe! Shouldn't this be on the "numbers" thread, saddo?;)

[tryphon]

3% now...:D

[CorseChris]

5000 - feel better now?

[guy mayers]

Nope - need 6000! But I think this thread is comong to a natural conclusion now. I have just uploaded another picture of the painted 12 inch wheels that are being boxed for despatch now!

Cheers
Guy

[tryphon]

Originally posted by guy mayers
I have just uploaded another picture of the painted 12 inch wheels that are being boxed for despatch now!

Cheers
Guy

These are 8" wheels aren't they?

[guy mayers]

You're right of course! I'm just getting carried away at the moment and there is a reason for that!
I've just spent the last week ripping the suspension apart and ressembling it with new bearings and five stud hubs in time for the show this Bank Holiday Weekend.
If things don't go as planned then I guess my car will be on display showing off the brakes and suspension...........

The full story of this last (traumatic) week will appear in the next newsletter, and the hints and tips may be well worth waiting for!
Guy

[CorseChris]

Originally posted by guy mayers
Nope - need 6000! But I think this thread is comong to a natural conclusion now. I have just uploaded another picture of the painted 12 inch wheels that are being boxed for despatch now!

Cheers
Guy

I'm sure we could manage 6000.......

[Swamprat33]

I reckon this is now 6,000
congrats to all.

Right, what do we do now then.........

[Swamprat33]

soz, got a bit carried away with all the finger counting and lost count.

please ignore my previous post. will think before I post in future...

[guy mayers]

Gerry will have a pretty unique coffee table at the show this weekend, it will be a Group 4 rear wheel! Orders will be taken for this piece of art.
He told me about it whilst I was sat in a layby (I was on my mobile phone so it was legal!) Anyway, he said he had a rear wheel so I had to go one better and tell him I actually had two. Plus the fronts as well!
Today I was at Demon Tweeks, just around the corner from a clients, having the tyres swapped and photographing Monza Filler caps for Tryphon so tonight the new wheels are on the car. It was DARK outside when I finally got a chance to take a picture. It's in the gallery but it doesn't do justice to the beauty of these wheels. You'll have to come to Stoneleigh this weekend to see them for real.

At this point I'd just like to say a public thank you to Barry and his staff at Compomotive for the effort they went to to ensure that the first set was ready for this important show.

I'd also like to thank Gerry here for all the work he put in with Barry to make this such a successful project and finally, to all the consortium members without whom the entire project would not have happened. Thank you for your trust in us and your patience. I understand that the wheels will start to be shipped out on Tuesday 4th May.

Guy

[tryphon]

Guy it looks like the 12" wheels fit your Stradale body!! Am I wrong?

[chris.richard]

Indelicate as it might be to discuss Guy's body, he is now sporting the wider model! It comes to us all....:D

[guy mayers]

Chris is right Tryphon. Buy my car did start out life as a Stradale with a Volumex but when I blew the crank seal chasing a Ferrari around Aintree Race Circuit I took the opportunity to upgrade the specs to the Alfa Romeo 164 3.0 V6 and alter the bodywork to the Gp4 Square arch style.
The guy with the Ferrari was sympathetic enough to let me have 10 laps at racing speeds in the passenger seat of his 1962 250GTO so I wasn't really worried about having blown an engine. Still the only Ferrari I've ever been in.......
Guy

[tryphon]

You mean the only Ferrari you've been in is a '62 250GTO?!*%&...

[guy mayers]

May have been a 63...............!
But yes, it was 10 unbeleivable laps, the first few were spent warming up engine and box but the next 7 or 8 were progressively faster and faster until we were taking corners with a fair degree of opposite lock and a LOT of four wheel drifting!
I asked the owner, Steve Pilkington, if he was at all concerned about damaging it, his reply was no! It only owed him £6,000!! Plus the insurance company would pay to rebuild it as it's current value was way in excess of the rebuild cost. After the 10 laps he spend the next 40 minutes waiting for his next go on the circuit polishing off the orange marks left on the sides of the car where he'd clipped a couple of traffic cones on the circuit!
The mans a bloody star! 6GTO is the car. If I can persuade my scanner to work I'll post a piccy of our cars in the paddock and one from the passenger seat of Aintree Race Circuit!
Guy
And in all the yearI've owned my replica - coming up on 16 now - I've never been in a real Stratos........

[tryphon]

And in all the yearI've owned my replica - coming up on 16 now - I've never been in a real Stratos........


You're more than welcome to have a go in mine if you want.


I've heard that most owners of cars such as 250LM, 250GTO, P4, ..., have identical replicas that they are racing and which are using the same chassis number as the original. I think it now makes sense to see them thrashing them around the track...

[guy mayers]

Tryphon, that is VERY generous of you. I will take you on your offer one day on the condition that you drive! I know how precious these cars are to their owners, no one else has driven mine and it will probably stay that way but genuine enthusiasts are always welcome to a ride in the passeenger seat! Mind, it would feel very odd to sit in the right seat with no steering wheel ahead of me!
Cheers
Guy

[Chris J]

Guy

Take your steering wheel with you.

[Andrew Way]

Originally posted by guy mayers
And in all the yearI've owned my replica - coming up on 16 now - I've never been in a real Stratos........


When I was about 9 years old I was lucky enough to break the rear view mirror off in a Stratos owned by my Dads friend! I cringe every time I think of it but not as much as my Dad does!!! I think the car is now in Australia, it was a blue stradale, reg A??? OFC.

At least it started my love of such a great car.

[stewart]

Andrew,

There is a blue Stradale in Australia, not sure of the name (Paul Morton will know) of the current owner but Phil Eather owned it for many years.

I too have been in that car, my only genuine Stratos ride and I was very impressed. It was very quick with a major engine performance build and a set of drop gears.

It did have a rear view mirror when I was in it though so your damage wasn't stratos threatening...:D

cheers

[guy mayers]

Sorry it's not in the gallery - the file size was way too big to upload but if you follow the link below and scroll daown to teh report on the Hawk Cars stand the picture will appear! I like it!
Guy

http://www.totalkitcar.com/tkc_article_611.shtml

Getting nearer 6000 views!

[Bernard]

Hi Guy

When are MY wheels likely to be despatched.......so that my car can also look the DOGS !!

Cheers

Bernard:D

[guy mayers]

Bernard - they ought to be with you today or tomorrow, certainly by the weekend! Is this enough time to get them fitted for Abingdon?
Guy

[Bernard]

YEP !!

[Bernard]

THEY HAVE JUST ARRIVED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brilliant !

Bernard:D

[guy mayers]

Okay - but wjat do you think of them???!!! Was it worth the wait and all the stress??
Guy

[lancia chris]

Mine arrived yetserday and are just the canine's gonads. Well worth the wait and thanks again for all the hard work.
Now looking forward to the side glass project to get up and running.

[guy mayers]

We are still looking for a pair of side screens to buy/borrow so that this project can move forward. If anyone has access to anything please let us know. Scratched examples don't matter! It's only the outline and curvature we are after.
Guy

[guy mayers]

Gary, can you drop me a PM please? your wheels are ready for shipping but I am not having any success reaching your email address! I will get Gerry to write as well in 48 hours if you don't come back to me!
Guy

[Mark Cowling]

Hi all mine arrived today quality excellent, I would like to take this oppertunity to thank Guy & Nico for all the hard work they put into this project for free.
On a technical note these wheels are not the same offset as the information on the order form, & this may cause problems if like me you have made a set of wheel adapters to suit the ofset on the order form whilst waiting for the wheels to arrive, I am away now for a week , Regards Mark.

[Jeff Davison]

Got my GP4 set today. Really fast shipping.
There was some wear and tear on the very thin cardboard shipping boxes. Cursory examination showed no damage to the wheels. But there was much rubbing of the wheels inside the box to wear off the clearcoat in many places around the perifery of the wheel lip. Also the was an area where the clearcoat was not applied evenly and there is a rough texture in an area that can be seen on one of the rears. Pleased with the wheels, but NOT the poor packageing. I'm afraid that I will have to have them reclearoated.
Not happy about that considering the expense of these puppies Wasn't damage from the shipping so can't claim this from the shipper (UPS), just from the method of packaging. Compo just put thin poly bags over the wheels and stacked two per box and THIN one ply carboard. THIS FOR AN OVERSEAS SHIPMENT???????:mad:


Jeff Davison

[stewart]

Jeff,

I can understand your frustration and I'm sure those involved will have some comment to make. No doubt we all have horror stories of shipping but thought since it was stratos related I'd mention mine.

My car has the Nissan Maxima 3l V6 and manual gearboxes are impossible to find anywhere but I tracked down one in the US with drive shafts. Would you believe they sent it from the US to Australia in a cardboard box? No packing except newspaper. It was a right mess when it arrived but luckily there was no damage and it works fine in the Stratos.

Hope you get some joy with those wheels because they are something you cannot afford to have obvious damage on.

[Stratos]

Originally posted by Jeff Davison
Compo just put thin poly bags over the wheels and stacked two per box and THIN one ply carboard. THIS FOR AN OVERSEAS SHIPMENT???????:mad:


Jeff Davison

Jeff,

Sorry to hear you're unhappy.

I believe this is Compomotive's standard shipping method. Certainly all the wheels I have ever received from them have been packed 2 per box, in plastic bags, with cardboard seperator, exactly as you describe.

Fortunately, there has never been any damage to any of the wheels I obtained from them, and I have about 20 (ML not coffin spokes).

My shipping was UK only, so I can't comment on suitability for overseas shipping.

[GMC]

Received my set of yellow wheels yesterday, fantastic especially the way it has been designed to allow plenty of room for large brake calipers. Thanks to all how made the project possible.
This might encourage me to go back at the car again, shut the shed door two weeks before Christmas and never went back at the car since, "wiring nightmare"
Gerard.

[guy mayers]

Ok - we made 6000 views and rising!
The last set of wheels from the consortium order are being shipped to Spain early next week and Tryphons rears will be going at the same time.
There was some excess production from the first run and as a result Gerry has a stock available for Stradale cars, possibly two sets that can be machined in either 108 or 98mm PCD. The price is higher than the original consortium price for reasons stated earlier BUT are cheaper than the next batch will be. £1200 plus VAT/carriage until the stock is gone. Give Gerry a call/email if you are interested.
Once the stock is gone we will start collecting names and deposits for another batch but the numbers required for a run of rears will be 20 sets so it may take a while to build up that number... It may never happen again!
Guy

[tryphon]

Guy, Charly's yellow Group 4 set came last week but I'm still waiting delivery of my 2 Gold 12" rears. Any idea when they might show up?

Cheers,
Tryphon

[guy mayers]

Hi Tryphon - attached below is a copy of (most of) an email Gerry sent to me on 21st May so I would have expected them to have been sent 25/26th to Gerry and be with you very soon, has the UK Bank Holiday affected delivery? It's a possibility I suppose. I will pass on your question to Gerry and Compomotive but whenever I ask the question about missing shipments they invariably arrive the next day. Please let us know if they do come tomorrow!
Guy



Do you want to come to Newark ??
Best regards
Gerry Hawkridge

Just for info !!

From: Factory
To: Hawkcars
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: compomotive parts still here as at 21 5 2004


Dear Gerry,

I have now compiled a list of wheels that are still outstanding from your orders & wheels made extra during the production batches.

I am still unsure what wheels you need other than the ones on your car so I have not taken these into account when compiling this list.

We are still to despatch - 2 - 8x15's & 2- 12x15's in Gold, 5x108 pcd to Mark Fernandez in Spain. - 2 - 12x15's in Gold, 5x108 to go to you re Tryphon in Switzerland.

These will be despatched early next week.

[tryphon]

Sorry Guy, still no 12" gold wheels for me. Any news? I will need them soon as my car is nearer to completion now...

[guy mayers]

Hi Tryphon - I asked the question last week of Gerry who asked the factory who sent the reply below to Gerry who forwarded it to me, you get the idea! Both have confirmed your rear wheels have been sent. I will send a query on your behalf to Barry to chase the shippin