Graham Bates throttle modification

[chris.richard]

Thought I'd post this in a new thread for maximum coverage.

I've just spoken to Graham about the modification to the Hawk throttle pedal for the V6 conversion. He is considering making a batch of 5 or so, which will be a bit cheaper. Anybody else interested? He's just made a one off to Brent's drawings for about £80, but I think he has another design of his own. He's in Spain at the moment, and will be back at the weekend.
His number is 07831 225437.

[lyndon]

hi richard, i may well be interested in anything graham has to offer in the way of hf3000 parts after purchasing a boot full from him at abington. the man is a pro and if he makes something to make my building of the car easier i,m game , so when you talk to him next put me on his list. thanks lyndon

[chris.richard]

Graham is putting a batch of 5 into production, ready in 2-3 weeks. Lyndon & I have our names on 2.

[Matt No VAT]

Chris,

Count me in for one also - my Hawk has a V6 but the throttle assembly at the pedal end leaves a lot to be desired.

[chris.richard]

Matt, give Graham a ring on 07831 225437 and book yourself one!
The kit he supplies only needs us to cut off the existing accelerator pedal high up, and bolting through the ally floor pan into captive nuts on his fabrication. We add the throttle cable which runs down the centre, and voila!

[Matt No VAT]

That was easy!! I'm on the list...so thats another little job to do when I get back from France :)

[Matt No VAT]

One question though, my throttle cable is "P clipped" externally to the drivers side of the tunnel. (I hope that makes sense)

Do you know if this remains in the same position?

[chris.richard]

I don't know. If I was designing it, I'd route it inside the tunnel, but I haven't seen pictures of this setup. Anybody out there using one of Graham's ones?

[rutthenut]

The advantage of the floor-mounted throttle pedal assembly is that the cable run is much more direct and runs straight back along the tunnel section of the car, whereas the original Beta-based throttle pedal setup usually put the cable through the roof section of the car and down into the engine bay.

My orange car has a GB throttle pedal and this would have the cable running along the drivers side of the spine/tunnel, however you mount it in place. It then appears in the centre of the engine bay and runs up towards the throttle body of the Alfa engine.

The front end requires a suitable terminating bracket to be fitted above the centre spine, but that is easy enough to arrange.

With Gerry's later pedal option, the cable would be mounted on the other side of the tunnel, but has the same benefit for cable routing.

Think that answers the questions so far.

Cheers

[roger001]

Mine is a GB assembly and it runs happily through the centre tunnel moulding, (with everything else)

[chris.richard]

It struck me in a moment of contemplation that you shouldn't need the Graham Bates modification , because you're buying a new Hawk HF3000 kit, which will be built to take the Alfa V6 already. It's kits that were designed for the Lancia twincam that need to be adapted. You should be able to save a few pennies here! Can somebody else confirm?

[mogul_x]

Chris,

I think you're right - If you are buying a new HF3000 from hawk cars, the throttle linkage supplied with the car should have enough travel to open the throttle on the Alfa v-6.

What was it, 60mm of travel required for the Alfa? On my car, it seems that the arm on the pedal where the cable is attached would be able to cover about that much distance. I'd need to double check to be certain, though.

Out of curiosity, has anyone ordered a new HF2000 lately? I'm wondeing of both the HF2000 and HF3000 are using a floor mounted throttle pedal now.

[lyndon]

Thank you Chris,
as the kit has not yet arrived i have too much time to sit and plan how to overcome all the problems each of you seem to encounter. good news is i,ve just bought a 164 with 5 months M.O.T other than a slow draining power from the battery it runs as sweet as a nut and only cost me £125-00. So i will spend my £80-00 allocated for the throttle on oil and filters etc. for the Alpha.

Lyndon

[chris.richard]

Is this to be the donor? 12 or 24v?

[lyndon]

it is the doner'
having spoken with john whalley, he suggested the 12v as it was better tourque and easier to drive as a road car
your heading was 164 brakes. is there something i should know ?
thanks chris,
lyndon.

[mogul_x]

Lyndon,

Chris was probably asking whether you intended on using the brakes from the 164. You can fit these if you opt for the 5-lug hub kit from Hawk cars.

[chris.richard]

No, it was brain fade!

[roger001]

Originally posted by mogul_x
Lyndon,

Chris was probably asking whether you intended on using the brakes from the 164. You can fit these if you opt for the 5-lug hub kit from Hawk cars.

You can also use them with 4 stud hubs if you switch the discs (which are relatively cheap) to a 4 stud pattern eg delta integrale fronts and thema rears.

This works very well with the standard servo/single master cylinder set up on the Hawk.

[Matt No VAT]

Chris & Lyndon,

Got a call from Graham Bates to say that the throttle upgrade is ready for collection - I will be visiting him at some point next week to collect mine.

Not sure if he's already spoken to you guys yet