****, ****, ****!

[chris.richard]

So here I am, fired with enthusiasm after the weekend and keen to make tangible progress; got a new hex drive socket to replace the two I'd broken getting the cambelt idler pulleys off, removed the pulley and waterpump and the replacement pump that's been sitting around for 6 months is the wrong one. ****. Decided to look at the accellerator cable travel issue that Gerry Manolo alerted me to on Saturday. He was right - pedal end travel 3cm, travel needed at throttle end of cable 6cm. ****. That'll take a bit of engineering to correct, or else I could just drive around on half throttle. Any suggestions? But I have got my spark plugs replaced (nice iridium ones) and the new bigger inlet pipes fitted. One step forward, two steps back....

[CorseChris]

As long as you use the pedal travel for the second half of the throttle that should be OK shouldn't it?? :D


...but seriously, I have seen some neat fixes for this before. Didn't Roger put the details of his fix in the NL a while back?? Basically, a lever with 2:1 ratio in the engine bay and a short intermediate cable from this box to the engine if I remember right.... (but then I often don't, so please anyone who knows, correct away!).

To put my Mister Smug hat on again, I thought about this when I made my throttle pedal - it has adjustable ratio settings so should accommodate the V6 as well as the TC....

...and I am running two cables in parallel - one spare!

[Stratos]

There's an article in the newsletters on the CD about this - I think it was by Donn Bunn.

[CorseChris]

Originally posted by Stratos
There's an article in the newsletters on the CD about this - I think it was by Donn Bunn.


Gosh, this CD thingy seems to be getting some use......:D :D

[Stratos]

Yeah, but I forgot to pickup a shiny new, impressively labelled copy at the weekend.

I've got to suffer with a hand-written one - bet the info's just as good on mine though.

[CorseChris]

Originally posted by Stratos
Yeah, but I forgot to pickup a shiny new, impressively labelled copy at the weekend.

I'm sure Guy will be posting you one...

[guy mayers]

Ok you lot, enough subtle hints! If my printer is up to the job I will be running off the minutes of the last AGM as soon as Nico emails me the final copy and they will go out then. Except I'll have to go and collect them from Austins as I didn't have enough room in the boot because you lot didn't take the opportunity to releive me of all my spares!
Guy

[SUSIT]

If you remember Guy the lamps were the wrong size, or was the gap to small?

[guy mayers]

The lamps are the right size! I guess the gap between the indicator/sidelight was too narrow! Never mind, someone else will get my last spare set!
Guy

[manalog]

FAO Chris Richard.

Found tha article to gain full throttle for the 3 ltr engine, its issue 44 July 1999. See attachment.

The article was written by Donn Bunn. I went for the Chris Smith solution which is a bit more involved. It involves fabricating an actuating arm and welding it to the pedal plus you need to weld another bracket under the dash which will hold the outer cable in place. You also need to attach a return spring if it hasn't got one to return the pedal to normal position. Unfortunately, my brother has the digital camera and I am unable to take some pics for you.

Sorry Chris I can't attach the scanned image it keeps giving me an error message saying it's too big! If I reduce the image any further you won't see anything.

Gerry Manalo

[Stratos]

Chris,

I haven't time to do it now, but later tonight I will make issue 44 temporarily available on the website for you. I'll send you a PM when I've done it.

[Matt No VAT]

I have a spare water pump from 12v V6 (manual) if your stuck for one.

[chris.richard]

Thanks for the offer, Matt. I suspect that there's a difference - the one i had been supplied with had a smaller impeller and different bolt holes/slightly different shape from the one I've removed - I'm assuming this is a 12/24v variaition.

[chris.richard]

Originally posted by Stratos
but later tonight I will make issue 44 temporarily available on the website for you.
Top man! I was too emotional to remember to pick up a CD after the AGM!

[roger001]

Chris

try Graham Bates he used to make a neat floor mounted throttle pedal conversion, which although not perfect (in that any shoes wider than trainers/race boots led to catching the throttle when you meant to use the clutch) is much better than the standard setup, it also allows the cable a straight run back out of the central tunnel

[Stratos]

Originally posted by chris.richard
Thanks for the offer, Matt. I suspect that there's a difference - the one i had been supplied with had a smaller impeller and different bolt holes/slightly different shape from the one I've removed - I'm assuming this is a 12/24v variaition.

I'm not sure about this, because I've never seem them together, but I was led to believe that the 12v and 24v had different water pumps.

Doesn't the 24v have the pump with plastic impeller blades, and the 12v has metal impeller blades?

[chris.richard]

The one that came off had a metal impeller, I'm sure.

[BAS]

Originally posted by roger001
Chris

try Graham Bates he used to make a neat floor mounted throttle pedal conversion, which although not perfect (in that any shoes wider than trainers/race boots led to catching the throttle when you meant to use the clutch) is much better than the standard setup, it also allows the cable a straight run back out of the central tunnel

Graham has just made one for me using a design I gave him, he also made up a brake & clutch pedals as the orginals had been modified beyond use! I can down load a photo of the layout, it should provide 60mm of travel. (I can also opperate them with steel toe-cap boots on)

[mogul_x]

Sounds like the setup on the newer Hawks - with the exception of pedal spacing. My throttle and brake pedal are so close together that I doubt it's possible to press one without catching the other.

I'd like to see that picture, or get some dimensions for your setup, Brent.

[roger001]

I will post a piccie when I get the car back from the painters, (after 15yrs the red has faded a tad, time to freshen it up and give it a new colour scheme).

[rutthenut]

Originally posted by mogul_x
Sounds like the setup on the newer Hawks

There is a major difference between the Graham Bates pedal kit and the later Hawk pedal option.

The GB one can be fitted to an existing (rhd) car (Hawk or Transformer, at least) as the lever part is in the same pedal area of the footwell on the drivers side, whereas the Hawk part uses a linkage through the bottom of the spine section, allowing the lever to be in the passenger footwell area.

The problem Roger referred to, I think, is that the left edge of your shoe can catch on the throttle lever when pressing the clutch pedal (GB design) as it is right next to the edge of the 'tunnel' area. It is very slim and isn't a problem if you have the fibreglass tunnel cover panel in place - at least, it's ok on my car!

Gerry's part isn't a bolt-on as it requires that a sleeve is welded into the spine section, which carries the water pipes. If this is done when the kit chassis is manufactured, it is no problem at all and the resultant linkage and cable lever access is much better.

Hope that makes some sort of sense...

[chris.richard]

Originally posted by roger001
I will post a piccie when I get the car back from the painters, (after 15yrs the red has faded a tad, time to freshen it up and give it a new colour scheme).

What's the new colour scheme going to be?

[chris.richard]

Originally posted by rutthenut


, whereas the Hawk part uses a linkage through the bottom of the spine section, allowing the lever to be in the passenger footwell area.



So, the navigator operates the accelerator, leaving the driver to concentrate on the braking and clutch....:D

[roger001]

Originally posted by chris.richard


What's the new colour scheme going to be?

You'll have to wait and see, but it's not a prev used scheme/works scheme, but in theory it should look good.

[rutthenut]

Originally posted by chris.richard
So, the navigator operates the accelerator

Just don't let the navigator near the brake pedal - they'd never let the driver get anywhere at any sort of speed :rolleyes:

[mogul_x]

Originally posted by rutthenut
There is a major difference between the Graham Bates pedal kit and the later Hawk pedal option.

And I'm not sure that either really applies to my car. Mine is left hand drive, and is set up somewhat differently than a "normal" hawk.

The big difference is the throttle pedal. Instead of passing through the center spine, and having the pedal and cable lever on opposite sides, mine had both features welded together on the left hand side of the spine.

This causes some problems, space wise. The throttle pedal is touching the tunnel cover on the outside, and the cable lever rubs on the inside. There also isn't much space between the throttle pedal and the brake pedal. Even barefoot, I can't avoid putting my foot on both of them.

To correct this, I may have to rework the tunnel cover (being very careful not to foul the cable lever), shift the brake and clutch pedals to the left, or make the pedals narrower. Perhaps all three. :eek:

I wanted to get the dimensions for Brent's design, since it sounds like space between the pedals isn't a problem. I may be able to adapt some of the ideas to fit my car.

When I said that the GB setup was similar to the Hawks, I was referring only to the floor mounted pedal, cable routing, and the propensity for inadvertently pressing two pedals at once. I guess this is more of a problem with the LHD than RHD Hawk pedal layouts.:rolleyes:

Cheers

[chris.richard]

Originally posted by mogul_x



To correct this, I may have to rework the tunnel cover (being very careful not to foul the cable lever), shift the brake and clutch pedals to the left, or make the pedals narrower. Perhaps all three. :eek:



Alternatively, you could make your feet smaller!:)

[mogul_x]

originally posted by chris.richard
Alternatively, you could make your feet smaller!:)

:D :D :D

quote me a price, Doc.... I may just take you up on that idea!!!

cheers,

[chris.richard]

Originally posted by BAS


Graham has just made one for me using a design I gave him, he also made up a brake & clutch pedals as the orginals had been modified beyond use! I can down load a photo of the layout, it should provide 60mm of travel. (I can also opperate them with steel toe-cap boots on)

The photo would be really helpful, Brent, if you can manage it.

[BAS]

Put the digital camera in the car, but went and picked up the front spoiler from Richard Everington instead. So I havn't made it to the Strat yet! (moved house, the Strat will be moved later). But I will endever to take the photos tomorrow.

sorry to keep you in suspense.

Cheers Brent.:D

[John]

Originally posted by BAS


(I can also opperate them with steel toe-cap boots on)

Do you have a problem with road rage down your way?

[BAS]

As requested,

[BAS]

And Another

[BAS]

And one more.