Latest Monte/037 rep.

[Chris J]

Here it is:

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/250667.htm

[chris.richard]

Now that looks the dog's bits! :)
I take it the ride height is due to the lack of mechanicals etc.

[Chris J]

I think the addition of the rear spoiler takes your eye away from the wheelbase?

I suppose a lot of people wouldn't be happy unless the wheelbase was the same as an 037, but then that takes the project away from the easy conversion/still a Monte/no SVA etc., which is the great thing about it?

[Martin K]

Or you can have the right chassis too....

http://www.phoenixcarcompany.co.uk/latest_news.html

And it is still a modified Montecarlo

[strat6v]

I'm still saving up Martin!! :cool:

[Chris J]

And it is still a modified Montecarlo

So it wouldn't need any SVA/engineer's report etc. to be road worthy? Just an MOT?

[strat6v]

CJ, I reckon about now that you're like a salivating dog after looking at that piccy!!:D :D

It is rather tasty. :cool:

[Chris J]

CJ, I reckon about now that you're like a salivating dog after looking at that piccy!!:D :D

It is rather tasty. :cool:

Oh it's just the job John, but no. I was about to have another "the SVA is such a farce" outbursts.

I'm glad there are loopholes and ways of having cars like this legally, but the SVA doesn't do enough of the job it is supposed to do. So I'd rather it wasn't there at all.

[chris.richard]

I think the addition of the rear spoiler takes your eye away from the wheelbase?

I suppose a lot of people wouldn't be happy unless the wheelbase was the same as an 037, but then that takes the project away from the easy conversion/still a Monte/no SVA etc., which is the great thing about it?

How different is the wheelbase?

[Chris J]

How different is the wheelbase?

Something around 140 to 150mm Chris, but it is a significant amount to get the inline engine and transaxle in.

If you look at this:

http://www.groupbrally.com/lancia.shtml

You can see that the rear wheels are so near the back they didn't bother with anything between the wheels and the very back of the car. Apart from the mudflaps.

[strat6v]

I think its in the region of 200mm, + or - a bit.

[Chris J]

I think its in the region of 200mm, + or - a bit.

Yeh, I've got a feeling that the rally cars were longer (or got longer as they went on) than the Stradale?

So it could well be as much as 200mm John?

I'll wait for a higher authority to confirm?

[chris.richard]

The rear of the bodywork is quite different in the replica.

[strat6v]

I think johns moulds may have come from a stradale 037 and been trimmed to suit the shorter wheelbase. Maybe he can comment?

[guy mayers]

Monte Carlo wheelbase is 2300mm
037 wheelbase is 2440mm

I'll get me anorak, it's cold outside...

[Bob]

The first Grp B 037 did run with a rear bumper and the evolution didn't, just mud flaps like Chris J mentioned. I'd have to have the Evo look though, the regular original one just doesn't do it for me!.

[Chris J]

The first Grp B 037 did run with a rear bumper

The first season (1982) cars were like that.
Still a longer wheelbase than a Monte though.

I'd sooner have a group 4 rep. tarmac 308 GTB. The 037 is just a favourite of the ugly (but exciting) group B cars. It doesn't come close to a Stratos.

Would it be easier to rally one of these 037 reps. than a Stratos rep. these days? As far as MSA log book etc. goes? With one having a Monte (ho ho) ID/VIN?

[Martin K]

I think johns moulds may have come from a stradale 037 and been trimmed to suit the shorter wheelbase. Maybe he can comment?

John's car seems to have a mix of Stradale panels - which the early (1982 - July 1983) rally cars also used - and the later Evo 1 and Evo 2 rally car panels. The sections between the doors and the rear wheel arches, and the entire rear section, seem to have been modified to suit the standard Montecarlo chassis.

All the original cars - both road and competition - had a wheelbase of 2440 mm, which is 140 mm longer than the standard Montecarlo as Guy mentioned.

[Martin K]

I'd sooner have a group 4 rep. tarmac 308 GTB.

Form before function, Chris?

[strat6v]

Thanks for clearing that up Guy/Martin.

Don't forget me piccies, ;)

[Chris J]

Form before function, Chris?

I'm afraid so.

I think the form/function needle went to 10 on function with the Delta S4?!

The 85' RAC was a real spectacle when all the first group B 4x4s arrived (less RS200).

The Stratos has a lot of form and function, that's one of the great things about it?

[strat6v]

I do actually think the 037 is rather elegant for a group b car.

[John]

The Stratos has a lot of form and function, that's one of the great things about it?

Very well said Chris.
That sums up my feelings for it entirely.
I love form and function. Just look at the wife!

[chris.richard]

Very well said Chris.
That sums up my feelings for it entirely.
I love form and function. Just look at the wife!

Brownie point to that man! must be worth at least one weekend pass for a boy's toy's outing!!! :D

[Martin K]

I'm afraid so.

I think the form/function needle went to 10 on function with the Delta S4?!

The 85' RAC was a real spectacle when all the first group B 4x4s arrived (less RS200).

The Stratos has a lot of form and function, that's one of the great things about it?

I wasn't querying the Stratos - the 308 was mentioned. Apart from anything else, replicating Ferraris is not appreciated in Modena!

You're not wrong about the S4 though - even the Italians call it 'The Bread Van'

[Chris J]

I wasn't querying the Stratos - the 308 was mentioned. Apart from anything else, replicating Ferraris is not appreciated in Modena!

Sorry Martin, I meant taking a road 308 GTB and converting it. Or trying (in vain) to make it lighter. I know you were'nt querying the Stratos. No, I didn't mean a replica of a Ferrari.

[Chris J]

037 has 5 stud wheels/hubs doesn't it?:

http://www.lanciamotorclub.co.uk/2007event_pic/2007LMCGoodwood-673.jpg

...and can I see a transverse twin cam in the back of there?
The wheelbase looks long enough though? Does anyone know anything about this car?

[chris.richard]

Is it just me that can't get links to work today?

[Chris J]

It's on this list Chris, if that works any better?:

http://www.lanciamotorclub.co.uk/club-news.htm

[Chris J]

This car even has opening front and rear sections, but I've just got this feeling there's a lengthened (or not) Monte underneath. I might be wrong?

Even 037 Stradales have 5 stud hubs, so it can't be an 037 can it?

Somebody will know?

[Martin K]

This car even has opening front and rear sections, but I've just got this feeling there's a lengthened (or not) Monte underneath. I might be wrong?

Even 037 Stradales have 5 stud hubs, so it can't be an 037 can it?

Somebody will know?

I saw this car at Goodwood in March (where it is pictured) and it is definitely a Monte underneath 037 like panels. It has a transverse engine as standard with struts suspension all round. I didn't get my ruler out but I think it has the standard Montecarlo wheelbase.

[Chris J]

I didn't get my ruler out but I think it has the standard Montecarlo wheelbase.

I don't know if it's just that photo that makes me think the wheelbase is the right length?

So it is a Monte?, well, they've made a nice job of it.

By the way Martin, I saw your Monte turbo rep. with the new colour scheme in Classic and Sportscar. I see there's a photo of it on this LMC page too?

[Martin K]

So do you like the "Battledress" colour scheme?

It was painted just before the Brands Hatch event - just the blue added over the base white that the car was already in.

I'm getting a bit fed up taking it to 'shows' - I want to go racing! We WILL be out next year - that is for sure.

[Martin K]

I don't know if it's just that photo that makes me think the wheelbase is the right length?

Looking at it again, I think you are right. Perhaps the lower wishbone has been extended, as in the other Montecarlo based replica.

[chris.richard]

Anorak point for Mr Jarvis!

[Volumetrico]

Hi All
I am new here, but thought I would help clarify a few things

- Johns replica - he originally bought a mixture of GroupB 'Corsa' moulds.. front section, rear spoiler, bumper/valance, internal engine surround (not the clip). He then made a clip to resemble the real thing, just shorter. Personally I dont like the stubby look of this replica.

- The car shown in http://www.lanciamotorclub.co.uk/club-news.htm is a spaceframed Monte with extended wheelbase and with 037 race panels sourced in Italy. I am unsure if they are propper kevlar ones, but the car does look very good. I think this must be the old Scorpion car? Was also pictured in Gut Crofts Twin Cam book. It belongs to someone called Tim.. (Tim if you are reading please get in touch).

Melo

[Swamprat33]

Hi I'm called Tim and I wished I had on 037.

Real or replica - stunning cars and seem to be rarer than the Stratos.

Tim

[Martin K]

I think this must be the old Scorpion car?Melo

No - it was I who bought the Scorpion project! (There was no Scorpion car as such as they never built a chassis)

[Chris J]

- The car shown in http://www.lanciamotorclub.co.uk/club-news.htm is a spaceframed Monte with extended wheelbase and with 037 race panels sourced in Italy.

Thanks for that.
I had a feeling it was the right length.

[syndicate]

The angle of the photo isnt good to tell anything but the rear wheels look a long way forward The bodies the right length but id like to bet Martins correct and theres most of a monte shell under there Seems unlikely anyone would go to the extremes of full space frame and then set the rear wheels to far forward and leave a transverse lump in but hey wot would we know

[Chris J]

It's only just dawned on me that a Monte turbo has a transverse engine. (Like this):
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/1286/lancia20montecarlo2027lj7.jpg
For some reason I thought it was long ways on, like an 037.

Here's some more info on Monte Turbo and 037 replicas and lookalikes:
http://www.lanciabetamontecarlo.nl/replica.html

[syndicate]

It cant br full lenght cos the lift line joins directly onto thethe horizontal swage where it meets the arch on a genuine 037 that ones a good inch out also the front is the sameas mime wasif you fit agenuine 037 front flip on a monte front the front wheels are 12mm of centre of front arches (adjustable tie bar to push em forward was my solution) it seems unlikely to me anyone would go to the extent of full tubular front and the stick the front wheels in the wrong place (the poor English kit man)