Whilst we're still on about engines

[snurdf]

Bearing in mind that the Course I uses scorpio hubs, brakes, etc... has anyone wondered about the posibility of using the Cosworth 2.9? I have been trying to find out (without success) whether it can be mated to something like an st24 box or similar.
I don't know what the cosworth power figures are but if this was a possibility you would get the most out of your donor car, these can be had at decent money.

Just a thought.

[strat6v]

with slight mods you can use the alfa hubs on a corse, ask catswhiskers.
no point re-inventing the wheel. Keep it simple ;)

[Swamprat33]

I believe the std Cosworth 2.9 V6 is around 240bhp

[strat6v]

about the same as a 24v clover.

[snurdf]

I believe the std Cosworth 2.9 V6 is around 240bhp

Not a bad starting figure if there was a gearbox handy for it.

[Chris J]

I think John D. is planning one of these engines for a Corse:

http://www.uglymonkey.net/v6/v6tbs2.jpg

and I think it's a good idea.

It a GMs finest, by the way.

That's a Corse, (not a Corsa A/Nova as in the photo).

[snurdf]

Is anyone sure about the power figures?

[John]

That looks a lot to me like the old iron block V6, Chris. It was what I was thinking of originally, but there is now the new all aluminium engine which has better power output, is lighter but alas still very expensive. Mind you, by the time I get round to it....

[snurdf]

What gearbox did you have in mind John, any ideas what will fit it?

[Chris J]

That looks a lot to me like the old iron block V6, Chris. It was what I was thinking of originally, but there is now the new all aluminium engine which has better power output, is lighter but alas still very expensive. Mind you, by the time I get round to it....

Yes John, I remember you saying about the alloy one now. It would be a better bet?

It wasn't a bad engine the old iron block?

I think that iron block V6 in a Nova would upset its normal chuckablity?

[snurdf]

According to this http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/24valve.htm the power is either195 or 206 depending which one you choose.

[Martin K]

I would think a Ford Duratec 30/Mazda which is fitted to a range of front wheel drive cars with a transaxle would be a more straightforward choice, also probably cheaper and the top spec engine gives 240 bhp.

The Noble M12 GTO 3, GTO 3R and M400 use this engine mid-mounted with a twin turbo setup, although later Noble cars I believe have had a gearbox upgrade to cope with the extra torque.

[Chris J]

I would think a Ford Duratec 30/Mazda which is fitted to a range of front wheel drive cars with a transaxle would be a more straightforward choice, also probably cheaper and the top spec engine gives 240 bhp.

I'd go along with that.

If you did a back to back test, say, on one of the sprint courses at Abingdon, with a Alfa GTA engined Stratos rep. and a similar car with a 240bhp Duratec, I know which one my money would be riding on.

Having said that, a V6 will always be the popular choice for a Stratos.

[Martin K]

I'd go along with that.

If you did a back to back test, say, on one of the sprint courses at Abingdon, with a Alfa GTA engined Stratos rep. and a similar car with a 240bhp Duratec, I know which one my money would be riding on.

Having said that, a V6 will always be the popular choice for a Stratos.

Just to confirm - the Duratec 30 is a V6

[Chris J]

Just to confirm - the Duratec 30 is a V6

Sorry Martin, I know the one you mean. I remember Chris Smith's Noble had one. When I see the word 'Duratec', I immediately think of the 4 pot. The engine of choice for non historic RWD Escorts, now that the Vauxhall XE is a bit long in the tooth.

[Martin K]

Sorry Martin, I know the one you mean. I remember Chris Smith's Noble had one. When I see the word 'Duratec', I immediately think of the 4 pot. The engine of choice for non historic RWD Escorts, now that the Vauxhall XE is a bit long in the tooth.

According to Wikipedia, Porsche were involved in the initial design of the Duratec V6 - so it should be good - and the Jaguar s-type engine is based on it too. It is over-square, but not as much as the Alfa engine. It has a stroke shorter than the XE and both 2 litre and 2.3 litre Duratec 4 cylinder engines, so it should be able to rev well.

[John]

The gearbox which I have in mind for the GM V6 installation is the FGP Germany six speed transaxle which comes with the Manual Saab and Vauxhall models fitted with the 2.8 engine. It is limited to 300Nm though so is only really suitable for the kind of outputs available from the standard or mildly tuned engines.
I have spoken briefly to Swindon Racing Engines who are importing the normally aspirated engines from the States (3500cc to 4200cc) and are quoting 350 BHP as "easily and economically" obtainable from the 3500cc version Obviously the gearbox internals are not going to cope with that. I'm hoping that somebody such as Quaife will come up with uprated internals for the box by the time I need them.
Mind you hyperdrive will probably be available by then....

[Shaun II]

Anyone know what happened to the XE engined blue corse I that was up for sale a couple of years ago, possibly went to scotland?

[pimms]

That looks a lot to me like the old iron block V6, Chris. It was what I was thinking of originally, but there is now the new all aluminium engine which has better power output, is lighter but alas still very expensive. Mind you, by the time I get round to it....

Hi John,

Which GM cars on the continent, have these engines?

Regards,

[SUSIT]

Anyone know what happened to the XE engined blue corse I that was up for sale a couple of years ago, possibly went to scotland?

In the Edinburgh area owned by Garry Keenan I think and having a 3.2 Alfa fitted.

[John]

Pimms,
Opel Vectra and Signum and Saab 9-3 all have the Aluminium V6 in Turbocharged 2.8 litre format.

[strat6v]

Does GM supply the ally blocks for the latest generation alfa v6's?

[David May]

As I heard, all current A-R V6 engines are sourced from GM Holden Australia (but Fiat dont make much noise about it!) Probably part of their broken marriage promises.

[John]

Yes David, the new GM V6 was born out of the FIAT-GM Powertrain joint venture and was destined for AR at the time of its design.
The Australian version is called Alloytec and has some differences from the Canadian built engines but I'm not sure what they are.