real one for sale

[chris.richard]

I have for sale a Stratos Gr4 who raced in Italia in the 70's.

The chassis (# 1820 ) was bought many years ago and completed with Gr4 or stradale parts .

The bonnets, suspension, front brakes, etc.. are gr4

The engine, box, and rear suspension are stradale .

The car is 90 % complete the missing are the interior, the Gr4 wheels, some lamps and other details.

Contact me if you're interested and if you want more deatils and photographs.

Price 78 000 €.

Best regards.


Florent MOULIN

[chris.richard]

Nothing to do with me . He emailed me with it

[chris.richard]

sorry, posted same picture twice - now corrected:rolleyes:

[Cloggie]

Hi Chris, I got the CD thanks. Cheque is on the way.....

Have you got the email address for this guy please? Do you know where the car is located? Might go and check it out, although price looks a little high...

Thanks, Nico/

[chris.richard]

I don't know where it is, I can only guess France!
His address is florent.moulin1@free.fr

[shaun]

Just in case it might interest someone, there is in fact a Stratos for sale here in France - from what I gather in the Lyon region. It is apparently an ex Italien competition car that was dismantled in the early eighties. The bare shell was purchased by the current owner and the various grp4/stradale bits added. The full competition history is currently being researched. 78000 euros seems a little high and I`m not convinced but then… if your garage is big enough. Apparently most of the parts are still available new in Italy including the fibreglass front/rear. Is that sales pitch or is it true?

[rutthenut]

Originally posted by shaun
Just in case it might interest someone, there is in fact a Stratos for sale here in France ... Apparently most of the parts are still available new in Italy including the fibreglass front/rear. Is that sales pitch or is it true?

I thought that there were a few cars for sale listed on the classicscars.com web site, which appeared to be in France.

As for the 'new' parts, I suppose that they are new if they have been made recently and not fitted to a car yet? I'd be pretty sure that you cannot get new Stratos body panels that were made by the Lancia/Bertone factory though. So I'd view that as a sales pitch - true on the basis that parts are available, false if you expect them to be new *and* original.

[Stephenos]

Originally posted by shaun
Just in case it might interest someone, there is in fact a Stratos for sale here in France...

This sounds like the same car. I suppose I need not state the obvious, but...
Whaa ever dis guys a smokin' I wantz sum!

It's not an original anything any more. Presently it's just a "bitza"! (Being bits of this and bits of that.) And unfortunately, that's all it will likely ever be.
I, (like I'm sure several others of you have) contacted this individual and asked for more info in the hopes of finding a true diamond in the rough. In the additional photo's sent to me I see little that suggests any competition background and lots that look just "plain Jane" street oriented. Yes it's true, I have lots to learn and may not know what to look for. Oh, and it does have the added rear wheel flares attached to the rear deck but; They alone a competition car duth not make".
He could not offer any documentation at this time. No competition log book. No photographic proof like added bracing, roll bars or a sanctioning body's I.D. plate.

Now I'd love to be able to rescue an original Stratos. Even better if it was a group 4 model. If only just to say I helped save one from being parted out. It's like protecting the rain forest or saving a whale. But...

78,000 Euros = 52,150 GBP = $84,170 US = $128,140 CDN... OUCH!
To say he's a "little bit high" is being very generous indeed. There's just noway Jose' that it's worth anywhere near that.
The reality of it is this; Take the actual, recent sales price of a good example Stratos. Then subtract the costs to make this car equal to that one. (just in parts and labour) Take that sum and reduce it by 50% (for time and aggravation) and that's what this car, in it's present condition, should truly be worth in today's market.

So look at the car that just sold at auction this past December and you do the math.

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against this fellow. I truly do not know him from Adam. But, I have had so many dealings with people who thought they had something that they didn't. And when I tried to educate them they'd think me just some sort of rip off artist just wanting to get them to part with their treasures.

[David May]

If you think 78000 Euros is high - try this one at over twice the price (E 175,000!)

http://www.carclassic.com/html/DG67.htm

If you look closely at the work involved in converting a good Stradale into a convincing replica of a Gp4, then the price may be right, but its still a replica isn't it?

Dave May

[Stephenos]

Ouy Vei! (sp?)
Actually, the ad states "It is immediately available for 187,500 EUR".
Hoooollleee she-it, batman, that's $308,029.00 CDN. :eek:
Gee for that much ya think they could have at least given it a decent wash and wipe down before they took all those nice photo's, eh? ;)
The ad further states that it's a fully restored Group 4 car. It doesn't specifically state that it's been converted from a Stradale. But then again, it doesn't say that it came from the factory as a group 4 car either. How can you tell for sure, V.I.N. number? What are all the differences between the variations? Is there a definitive text anywhere that I can get to add to my growing collection of reference material?
Oh, one thing for sure. I'd love to hear this baby on full song as I don't see any type of sound suppression on the exhaust system as pictured. :p
http://www.carclassic.com/images8/DG67/DG67-3.jpg