CV joint with ABS ring?

[Chris J]

The 8v Integrale CV joints are in short supply at the moment.

I understand that there is a CV joint (that would be easier to get hold of right now) with an ABS ring that fits the 5 stud Evo Integrale drive flange/hub and the Beta drive shafts?

Does anyone know what part number or which Integrale model it fits?

If there is one that'll do the job I can trash the ABS ring to make it fit.

[Chris J]

On the same subject, is the following statement true?:

"We are not aware that there is a ABS and non ABS version, all of the joints for the Integrale's have the castellation for the ABS. The only part that is listed after yours (8v Integrale CV joint) is for the 8Valve Kat and 16 Valve car which would not fit as the shaft size is different."

[strat6v]

Thema turbo?

[kolynos]

Just bought a brand new pair of C.V. joints listed for the early 4x4 delta as there is a different part # for the later model Intergrale & as mine doesnt have the A.B.S. ring I presume the later one does.

[Chris J]

Thema turbo?

Could be?
Welcome back!

So, apart from the 82440166 part type, which isn't available, will any of the following fit both the Evo hub and the Beta shafts?

Outer - All models < 1992 (ABS) Thema 82449123
Outer - All models > 1992 (ABS type) Thema 82466864
Outer - All models > 1992 (non-ABS) Thema 82466865

[Sptwoman]

I discovered this site (http://www.azmotors.co.uk/index.php/cPath/16931_14466_14467_15447_15462) on my searches. I have yet to quiz them fully but worth a call? They also cover the Therma too!

[Chris J]

Just bought a brand new pair of C.V. joints listed for the early 4x4 delta as there is a different part # for the later model Intergrale & as mine doesnt have the A.B.S. ring I presume the later one does.

That'll be the pre Integrale 4WD Turbo? I keep forgetting that Delta model.

Thanks for that.
Where did you buy the C.V. joints from?

[Chris J]

I discovered this site (http://www.azmotors.co.uk/index.php/cPath/16931_14466_14467_15447_15462) on my searches. I have yet to quiz them fully but worth a call? They also cover the Therma too!

Yes, I remember Allen. At the moment I'm quizzing Walkers and John Whalley, but neither of them can supply the 82440166 part in the near future, so I'd guess that they're on back order nationally? I'm just trying to find out (from those who know for sure) what I could use instead?

[kolynos]

That'll be the pre Integrale 4WD Turbo? I keep forgetting that Delta model.

Thanks for that.
Where did you buy the C.V. joints from?

I got them through work[local factors]from a company called A.M.K. who remanufacture drive shafts & c.v. joints. They fit the hubs o.k. but since reading these comments I better make sure the Beta shafts will fit, still waiting for a pair from the same company.

[Sptwoman]

David,

I'd be interested how you get on with AMK as it is the Co web site I posted earlier in the thread. Looks good value and comprehensive!

[kolynos]

Got my Beta drive shafts today from A.M.K..fitted my Delta 4x4 c.v.joints no problem, so everything seems o.k. I am not sure on prices at the moment but I know they are pretty reasonable & I get them trade through work[LUVLY JUBLY]. There was no problem getting the c.v. joints they came next day but the drive shafts took two weeks. All these units are remanufactured but they are a good quality product.If anyone wants more info please let me know.
Part # for c.v. jointsare TDL9014R & TDL9015R fitting Fiat Punto, Lancia Tempra/Tipo. Drive shafts DS15074 &DS15075.
OOH by the way, I have two brand new Beta c.v. joints for sale if anybody`s interested.. :)
Dave...

[SUSIT]

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OOH by the way, I have two brand new Beta c.v. joints for sale if anybody`s interested.. :)
Dave...[/QUOTE]

inners or outers?

[kolynos]

inners or outers?[/QUOTE]

Outers, cause they came off the new shafts.

[SUSIT]

inners or outers?

Outers, cause they came off the new shafts.[/QUOTE]

How much & remember I am well known for being a tight fisted scot & its not for nothing I buy deep pocketed trousers :D :D

[lancia chris]

Try these guys

https://www.sapmotorparts.com/

The delta CV joints are shaped differently to the beta ones and will foul the bearing retainer on the threaded type Hawk supplied hub carriers that have .
You will therfore either have to machine off the shoulder to pr

The later Hawk uprights that use the circlip method have no problem.

The ABS ring as far as I can determine causes no problem fitting either type of carrier. The difference is that the later Integrale drive shafts have a greater depth of spline than the HF version.

[kolynos]

Outers, cause they came off the new shafts.

How much & remember I am well known for being a tight fisted scot & its not for nothing I buy deep pocketed trousers :D :D[/QUOTE]


As a fellow celt I know just what you mean, its the short arms deep pockets syndrome. How about £50 the pair.

[chris.richard]

remember I am well known for being a tight fisted scot & its not for nothing I buy deep pocketed trousers :D :D

Tsk tsk.
get us a bad name, you will. ;)

[SUSIT]

How much & remember I am well known for being a tight fisted scot & its not for nothing I buy deep pocketed trousers :D :D


As a fellow celt I know just what you mean, its the short arms deep pockets syndrome. How about £50 the pair.[/QUOTE]


£50 cheap as !! I know not. I assume that will be plus postage?
Send me a PM with name and address to send cheque and postage costs. Thank you young man :)

[SUSIT]

Tsk tsk.
get us a bad name, you will. ;)


Chris I am sure we already have a bad name :D

[kolynos]

£50 cheap as !! I know not. I assume that will be plus postage?
Send me a PM with name and address to send cheque and postage costs. Thank you young man :)[/QUOTE]


Will let you know a.s.a.p. Thanks..
Dave..

[rutthenut]

Just went to change the outer CV joint on my car, having had two of these sitting on my shelf for a long time.

Sods law means that when I go to fit it, the bloody thing turns out to be the wrong type :( Both of the 'spares' I've got will not fit the Hawk hub carrier with the threaded bearing retainer.

Phoned around various local and national auto factors to try and find anyone that has Beta outer CV joints in stock. Glad to say that AZ Car Parts, http://www.azcarparts.co.uk/ mentioned on this site, have/had 3 of these available, so I've ordered a pair (at fifty quid each). Trouble is, they won't turn up till Monday, and I guess there is still a chance that these might be the wrong fitment too.

Found one local factor (Whoopee, in Frimley Green) that can get an outer joint for tomorrow afternoon, so going for that one too. Can't hurt to have a couple of these to hand, since I do have second car to build as well!

With some concern that all of these may yet turn out to be the wrong fitting, I will now spend the afternoon trying to find someone to turn down one of my existing CV joints so I will definitely have one that I can fit to the car.

Other inconvenience, I have this week off of work to do some prep on the car before Chatsworth, so really want to get this job completed asap. Next week, I will be in Ipswich and Bradford, so won't be able to work on the car in the evenings. Best get it all sorted before this weekend is over then :eek:

[rutthenut]

CV joint modified, now to go and fit it all back onto the car before it rains.

fyi, if you are in the Hants/Surrey area, the company I used is

Camberley Engineering
13 Morris Road
Farnborough
GU14 6HJ
Hampshire

Tel: 01252 512128

http://www.applegate.co.uk/engineering/company/co_1266636.htm


Not the tidiest workshop I've ever seen, but has lathes, milling machines, etc and is able to use them. Handy to know.

J.R.

[chris.richard]

What a turnaround in 2 hours 38 minutes!

[rutthenut]

Took less time than that, as I left it till after lunch before driving over to see about having the machining done. Fitted everything back on the car and gave it a quick road test by 4pm.

And, the CV joints arrived from AZ today as well - correct items too :)

Didn't get a call from the local auto factors that expected one in this afternoon, but will give them a buzz in the morning.

All being well, I should have three CV joints ready for use on either of my kits, plus one for later hub types that could be sold on/exchanged, and also still have the one I took off yesterday. It is usable, but I believe it makes a very slight knocking/tapping once it has got really hot, so I don't have confidence in it lasting forever. Makes a further spare though, although shouldn't be needing that as well as the newer ones.

[Steve Strain]

I am pleased it all worked out for you John.

God knows how I will get some new replacements down here in NZ when the time comes.

Whilst we are talking outer CV's, can anyone tell me if there is a CV that will fit the Hawke Hub (with threaded bearing retainer) and Beta drive shafts that HAS an integrated ABS ring?

There is discussion above about removing it from other alternative CV's due to interferance.

This will be of interest to those comtemplating re-using the Alfa's ABS system as I have.

Thanks

Steve

[chris.richard]

God knows how I will get some new replacements down here in NZ when the time comes.


You ask one of us to send it to you!;):)

[Chris J]

Whilst we are talking outer CV's, can anyone tell me if there is a CV that will fit the Hawke Hub (with threaded bearing retainer) and Beta drive shafts that HAS an integrated ABS ring?

There is discussion above about removing it from other alternative CV's due to interferance.


Steve, I got hold of a Delta CV a while back with the ABS ring fitted. I had to do the usual small bit of machining (like John R. has just had done) to make it like a long spline Beta CV, but once this was done I found that the ABS ring didn't actually foul the inside of the upright. It was very very close though, I had no use for the ABS ring, so I ground it off.

[rutthenut]

fyi. this shows a 'standard' Beta CV joint, which fits into the Hawk hub carrier with a threaded bearing retainer ring.

[rutthenut]

This pic shows the inner side of the Hawk hub carrier, with the threaded bearing retaining ring (it is this which prevents the later type CV from being used)

[rutthenut]

This shows the difference in the 'shoulder' area of the CV joints, for which the later joint needs to be machined for use in the threaded hub carrier

[rutthenut]

This shows the later type CV joint after it has been machined to provide clearance through the threaded bearing retainer ring.

Hopefully these pics may prove useful as a reference when someone else has to deal with this same problem...