Replica for sale UK

[chris.richard]

Syndicate's been & gone & done it! :eek:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/LANCIA-STRATOS-RECREATION_W0QQitemZ4605687425QQcategoryZ18186QQrd Z1QQcmdZViewItem

[Chris J]

Why on earth do they make a bid of £4,500+? As if THAT'S going to buy it?!

'Bit of a different animal since last time?

[armourerdoug]

Cant belive he's selling it! he loves that car, saw it last summer when I went to buy some parts for the twin cam he had! wish I had some cash, it's a bloody gorgeous car!!!!!

Doug
p.s. picked up a pair of the correct side indicators for £16, cool huh!!

[chris.richard]

magna est veritas et prevailbit!

Go on Doug, my latin is too rusty!

Big is true & winning? :p I give up! :rolleyes:

[armourerdoug]

Truth is Might ?great and will prevail, my latins crap too, read it in abook once. he he

[guy mayers]

Spot the similarity...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=29750&item=4584298585

Guy

[syndicate]

i spotted it straight away

[strat6v]

This double ownership thing is getting out of hand. :)

[strat6v]

Who will be the first with 4?

[syndicate]

maybe me if all goes according S4

[Paul164]

i give in, you rumbled me.

Paul

[Swamprat33]

Well Nico has owned 4 strats in the last 12 months. So, I guess this is the closest to date - apart from Christian H, of course....

[strat6v]

John, If an s4 is on the cards can i book a ride? and another, and another!
Form an orderly queue.

[armourerdoug]

queue? after me! he told me first! ;-).

ok, John did integrales,then stratos then an S4,,,,,mmm,,,,does that mean I will get one next? (I bloody wish!!)

Doug.

[Swamprat33]

How about an 037 John?

I'd like a ride in one of those :D

Cheers
Tim

[SUSIT]

Did not reach its reserve at £16310. Not a bad price to get in my view. dont think many will go for more than that.

[Bob]

In that case I've been robbed!. I paid more than that last year for my car-and I considered it to be a bargain. I picked up the car from Hawk while Nico was on holiday in America and they had used it in a photo shoot the week before. According to Gerry he had had 3 offers for the car while he was waiting for me to pick it up and they were all substantially more than I bought it for. I wouldn't underestimate the draw of the Stratos shape and with Motorsport news having it at No2 of cars to go see this year (thanks to Steve Perez's plans to historic rally his) and Car magazine voting it the No1 sexiest rally car of all time in the current issue it can only improve values.
Or is that just me trying to passify my self I haven't paid over the odds!!!!.

Bob

[strat6v]

Perhaps better to try foreign markets? How about japan?

[Alan D]

I am with Bob on this one, its deffinately worth more.

[SUSIT]

I am with Bob on this one, its deffinately worth more.
Sorry cant agree its only worth what someone is willing to pay & it did'nt sell.
If you look back at all the cars for sale and prices being asked then this one is top of the range.
My point is that although we each value ( In £ notes) our treasured cars very highly, selling one for anything like the amount they have cost us just does not happen. No matter how well built they are they are still " Kits " For 15 to 20 K you can buy a hell of a lot of car

[rutthenut]

I think we all have [strongly] differing opinions on the value of replicas when they are up for sale. An individual owner/builder (myself included) will probably set a value at a higher level than many prospective purchasers - which means no sale happens.

The actual value will always be whatever a buyer is prepared to pay for it.

A further issue is that for the cost of one of these cars, a potential purchaser could find a lot of other interesting cars at that price level. The Stratos is special, which is how it can still be more attractive a purchase than, say, a 911, to many people.

However, circumstances leading to kits being sold often dictate a 'quick sale', or a sale at all costs, so many cars can be bought for less than their 'real worth'.

The quality of built kits also varies tremendously, which obviously affects the resale value - even if it costs much more just for the parts and paid labour along the way.

An owner/builder does at least put their time in for free. There are many who have tried to make a business out of building kit cars for resale - it tends not to work out as a good business plan, requiring work at less than minimum wage! However, some of the higher spec and higher value kits can be built and sold for a profit, but that also means lower turnover - there is less annual profit in low volume sales (imo).

As to comments about being 'ripped off' (tongue-in-cheek or not), I don't agree.

There have been a fair number of well-built and well-presented kits sold at the high end of what many owners would expect.

Those buying pre-built cars get cost savings over building it themselves, immediate satisfaction, and the ability to see the final results at time of purchase. But the builders get the experience of creating their own car, with all that involves!

[Chris J]

The quality of built kits also varies tremendously, which obviously affects the resale value - even if it costs much more just for the parts and paid labour along the way.

I agree with everything that John says here. Picking up on the quality of build though, or rather the specification in this case. It's interesting that there was a fight on ebay around the £12,000 mark for the same car listed a year ago with a lesser spec. That is, with Beta engine, without Group 4 arches wheels etc.

Would that suggest that for the seller, a well finished car with a lesser spec. gives a better return on investment than an equally well finished car with a higher spec.?

There are always a greater number of people able to get hold of nearer £10,000 than £20,000 at short notice, or at all.

I often think that the higher spec. cars might be worth more broken up for parts?

[syndicate]

I tend 2 think bad advertising on my behalf i tried 2 change it but it had already had a bid (its all in the title on EBAY) irrelivant of what category u put it in
If someone types in lancia it will come up but how many people are specifically looking 4 your average lancia
Vehicle had 4599 hits and 200 watching
Put my mk1 escort on last year on shorter auction but put mk1 escort cosworth turbo grp4 rally race and had 8800 hits never mind my mistake anyway still had same earache of 20 sad subaru owner s trying to deal me after auction
Think ill re ad with better title and as sub titlle sad scooby owners need not apply anyway boyz £17800 or it stays put

[Cloggie]

This is always an interesting topic, and I think John's comprehensive statement covers a lot of people's points of view....

Look at Guy Mayer's truly unique car, and try and put a price on that? My new Alitalia car cost me more than a brand new Impreza WRX 2.5 STI or a fully loaded Lotus Elise, but would either of them give me the same pleasure? (Perhaps some less pain!!)

Top tip: Never try to justify your decision to purchase a real or replica Stratos on sound investment grounds. If you want it, you're prepared to pay what is asked, then buy it and make sure you enjoy it!

Bob, your car is worth what you paid for it, you enjoy it, and if you ever get bored of it, you' ll find someone else who will probably pay you close to what you paid for it, if you're prepared to wait for the right buyer to come along. I believe Ebay is great for specialists buying rare parts, but it's full of bargain hunters when it comes to buying cars, which only serves to accelerate the comoditisation of our fairly rare and valuable historical "tributes" to Motorsport.

I've probably bought and sold as many Stratos replicas as anyone else, and I get asked many times a year what real and replicas examples are worth. I always give people a range, and I always tell them at the end of it all, it's what it's worth to them.

Please can I ask everyone on the forum to try as hard as possible not to commoditise what we all spend a lot of time and money investing in. Think carefully about where you choose to advertise, and also if you're in a position to be picky about who you sell it to, then try to ensure it goes to a new owner who appreciates its value. I realise not everyone is in that position, but if you are, taking this approach will help us sustain the viability of replica ownership above the general Kitcar marketplace.

I'm off the soapbox now, and if we want to continue this thread, then we should probably move it to the "Discussion" area....

Regards,
Nico/

[Bob]

I guess the "comments about being ripped off" is aimed at me?. I don't feel ripped off in the slightest, I considered it a bargain then and still do. It's not a car I ever intend to sell so values are not something I dwell on anyway. The car was a dream for over 30 years - just glad I finally got one. Hope syndicate gets a proper price for what is (replica or not) a motoring icon.It looks a cracking example of the breed as well!!.

Nico - didn't know where the discussion part of the site is!

cheers

Bob

[rutthenut]

I guess the "comments about being ripped off" is aimed at me?

Those comments were based on your statement "In that case, I've been robbed" from your earlier reply. Glad to see you are totally happy with your car and what you paid for it - guess the comment was tongue-in-cheek...

Cheers,
J.R.

[Bob]

It was definately tongue in cheek John, I've met with Paul Clegg and know exactly how much it cost him to build to the level it is and would never want to accuse Nico of ripping me off. It was purely an exclamation that somebody (the bidders on ebay) honestly thought a Stratos of the standard Syndicate is selling is not worth over 20k. I couldn't contemplate the time and effort Paul put in or anybody who build the carsd to the standards they do.

Cheers

Bob.

I'll be more careful where and when I stick my tongue

[guy mayers]

Noticed that the item was relisted but I can't find the relisted item..... Must have sold this time round?
Guy

[mudhut]

It's here (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4609280003)

Probably where it should have been in the first place in addition to the Lancia cars.