Information on TOL80932 Chassis 1637 ex Chequred Flag

[GaryFitz]

Guys, does anybody know much about the history of this car, or who I should talk to about it. It is the ex-works Safari Car that was abandoned Africa and then bought and camapigned by the Chequred Flag team (the second car). Any information or leads would be appreciated. Thanks Gary

[chris.richard]

Garry, the chap to talk to is Ron Pellat. (Ron was the Head Mechanic of the Chequered Flag Team in 1975-76). He came and spoke at our annual dinner last year, so someone on here must have his contact details - Nico? Guy? Dave W?

[pimms]

Garry, or any one,
Is it the same car as to be seen in the members photo gallery, shown by John B - spy880 8053 and Tryphon. It says early Alitalia, but in the few books I have, the early ones did not have an air inlet on the roof and they have gold couloured wheels instead of yellow????

[GaryFitz]

It is definately the car that Trypoon has photographs of (wherer did thse come from?) and it could be the car John B has photographs of but I dont know if it ever ran as Lov 1. Somebody from the original team may be able to shed light on this.

[ANDYG]

Gary,
The car in your photo is of an early Alitalia car and not the Chequered Flag Car.
The Chequered Flag Car with the chassis no of 1637 had a UK plate of OYU 353R and i believe it was known as "Stratos 2" by the firm.
It was rallied by Billy Coleman and Andy Dawson and then consequently destroyed on the Donegal Rally in 1979 by Cahal Curley.
"Stratos 3" which was the third car built up from all the salvageable bits from "Stratos 2" and was right hand drive! although later on was converted back to left hand drive. This is the car that carried the "LOV 1" plate.

Dont know if that helps?

[chris.richard]

The Chequered Flag Car with the chassis no of 1637 had a UK plate of OYU 353R and i believe it was known as "Stratos 2" by the firm.


But it must have had an identity and livery before it was rescued from Africa. Maybe it has been restored to that state?

[ANDYG]

I am not sure of its livery before the Safari Rally but it was painted yellow when the Chequered Flag Company discovered it!
Doesnt help much does it!!

[guy mayers]

This magazine has a picture of Stratos 3, registerd LOV1 on the cover and a brief history of the cars run by the Chequered Flag.
We all know Stratos 1 was destroyed by fire on the 1976 Welsh Rally, it's sole remaining parts being the rear plate shown to the club last year by Ron Pellatt and the solidified aluminuium ingot that forms the "Chequered Career" trophy presented to Dave Watson last year.

Stratos 2 was an abandoned team car recovered from Kenya where is was found with a cracked gearcasing and running on Volvo wheels, painted yellow and blue at the time. It was imported to the UK and registered OYU353R. Billy Coleman won the Donegal Rally using this car. The Chequered Flag used the car for three more seasons but suffered many breakdowns and accidents. The last was apparently terminal, being rolled into a ball on the 1979 Donegal Rally by Cahal Curly.

The remains were then built into Stratos 3. This is the car now owned by the Earl Of Mexborough, pictures show it with Graham Warners private plate LOV1 on it but he didn't get this plate with the car, it was sold separately by the receivers of the Chequered Flag.

But, according to the article, after the Chequered Flag closed (went into receivership) Graham Warner had a FOURTH car built around the remains of the scrapped Stratos 2 tub (and those remains were the floorpan apparently!) using parts from the parts bins.

Stratos 3 was stamped with the same chassis number as Stratos 2 and when sold to the Earl Of Mexborough carried the plate OYU353R. The rebuilt Stratos 2 was issued with a Q plate but may have also been issued with OYU353R as well! Neither car carries it's original chassis plate.....

So Gary, have you come across the rebuilt Stratos 2??
Guy

[GaryFitz]

Yes I believe I have Stratos 2 in front of me. The car is in Japan where I live and will be inspecting it next week. I have agreed to purchace the car subject to my inspection. I was not at all worried about it's providence until I read in one of the forum threads that Stratos 3 was created from the remains of Stratos 2 and that the chassis id had passed with it.

If I correctly understand the discussion so far, Stratos 2 was destroyed and then rebuilt into Stratos 3 (including the chassis id). Somebody else has then bought the remains of Stratos 2 and rebuilt it as the original ex-works safari car and that is the car I am looking at.

I have not yet seen the car, but I can tell you that I have see phot's of the chassis plate (although chassis plates can always be reproduced) - 829ARO001637, and I am buying through a very reputable broker who assures me of it's originality. In addition to this, the seller will also be giving me all the records that go with the car (original log book and photographic evidence of it's rebuild which was completed by Maglioli in the late 80's).

The only doubt I have is that it appears that two cars are claiming the same chassis number, can somebody put me in touch with the owner of the other car to see if this is true, or if they can ask him what chassis number he thinks he has?

A true mystery, but one that involves me paying a lot of money so please help me to be sure I am buying the real thing. What is slightly confusing, is that if they built Stratos 3 using parts from Stratos 2, then Stratos 3 must carry it's own chassis plate - correct? The issue seems to be did they transfer the chassis and plate when they built Stratos 3?

I have also been told that Lancia have a build number welded onto the chassis called a Scocca-number, I have seen the photo that this chassis is number 302. Does this help anybody unravel what is goin on here?

Urgent assistance needed - thanks. I can be reached on my mobile in Japan +81 80 1061 3588 if anybody would rather talk to me than have the discussion in public. Cheers Gary.

[GaryFitz]

Photo of chassis plate on the car I am looking at. I realize it is too small to read (due to size limitations) but it does say 1637.

[tryphon]

The car in the gallery is not the same as the one you are looking at.
The car you are looking at has a 24V engine and, as you certainly know, Checkered Flag never run 24V engines.
The originality of the car you are looking at should be carefully scrutinized. Several cases of duplicate chassis numbers exist. The car's price and, subsequently, value is closely related to its, proven, history and originality. A mistake could cost you serious amounts.
You best source of information would be Thomas Popper who runs the Stratos registry and is a world expert on the subject. Please contact Thomas for further information.

I hope this helps,

[chris.richard]

According to the Curami book, chassis 302 was built on (? finished on) 24/7/74, and was acrylic red with havana seats and red carpets. Bet it's not that now!

If as Guy says, the rebuilt Stratos 2 was issued with a Q plate (and possibly OYU353R as well), then the Turin registration is pure decoration and can never have legally been registered as such.

One car (Stratos 2) seems to have given rise, phoenix like, to two cars. The legality of the registration/chassis numbers is never going to be straightforward. Nor can either of the clones claim to be the original car. I think that if the seller is trying to represent it as such, he is being dishonest, or genuinely ignorant of the complex history (it is after all a rather unique situation). Either way, I think you've got a few levers for reducing the price Gary! ;)

It might be worth speaking to Thomas Popper of the Stratos owners club or whatever it's proper title is. They may be able to shed light on where chassis 302 is. Tryphon might know of a source of some more information.

Oops, simultaneous posting with Tryphon!

[GaryFitz]

Anybody know how to contact Thomas? There are many things that just dont seem right, the car I am loking at is definately a 24valve car, but I am not worried that it wasnt originally. I am fairly confident that it is the same car in the photo's that typhon has, but the issue on which Chassis is the real one sounds sticky for all parties concerned.

T be fair to the guys I am dealing with, they may not know that this situation exists. many cars have been delivered into Japan pretending to be something they are not, and the deception has occurred when they were sold the cars.

I do not wish to judge that, all I want to do is establish the facts on the car that I am looking at. ANy and all comment/information/contact links/names are very welcome, and I thank all who have contributed so far, please continue. I am sure we all will want to see the truth emerge, although I fear that at the end of the day somebody involved with one of thse cars is going to be horribly disappointed and that is a real shame.

Thanks guys, Cheers Gary

[GaryFitz]

I have contacted the my car broker and he knows Thomas Popper. The issue is being refered to Thomas for clarification, as soon as I get some data back I will let everybody know. What about any of the ex-Chequered Flag guys, they MUST know the story but perhaps can't tell it as it does seem as is somebody has created two cars from one. One thing to consider, does anybody know if the Earl of Moxborough can confirm the chassis number of his car, perhaps there is not an issue here at all, it depends on what he has on the chassis plate and the Scocco number.

I have already confirmed that the Scocco Number 302 belongs to Chassis 1637, and both of these numbers are on the car here in Japan.

I really hope this is a misunderstanding and not a major problem. Cheers Gary

[Swamprat33]

Hi Gary, I have Ron Pellat's contact info.
I will pm you later today.

Cheers
Tim

[chris.richard]

Unless the Scocco number is on the floorpan, then it is a later addition to the car you are looking at; assuming that the car was built on the original floorpan of CF Stratos 2 and a pile of unrelated bits.

My understanding of Guy's information is that The CFS2 was rolled into a ball. The Earl of Mexborough's car was built from a new shell (chassis number if any) plus a lot of the bits from CFS2. The floorpan of CSF2 was later salvaged separately and went on to become the car you are looking at. Your car therefore can't be 302/1637, nor can the Earl's, coz unless the identity of a car is in the floorpan, those numbers went in the bin.
What's the story of axe? - 3 new handles and two new heads, but its the same axe that's been in the family for generations!

[GaryFitz]

Understand your points and agree. It would also be fair to say that unless somebody has been deliberately messing around, the Scocco number of the Earls car should not be 302. Likewise, the car here in Japan should have no Scocco number. WHilst they have sent a photo of it, so I guess I will know when I inspect it on this cming Wednesday.

As for how much was left and rebuilt into the car in front of me I obviously dont know, but I have been assured that the photo's of it's restoration are complete. The only problem is that this restoration may have been undertaken after somebody had already built it from the floorpan. I guess the absence of the Scocco number would confirm this.

What a confusion, imagine the situtaion from my POV - yikes what to do.....

[chris.richard]

There are a couple of strands in this to consider.
1) is this the CFS2 clone? If so, it has a significant & interesting history, which makes it a unique car, and desirable for that reason. :cool:

2) Are there shady/illegal attempts at providing a false legal identity/documentation for the car which will come back to haunt a new owner? These may have been done in an attempt to "validate" an authenticity for the car which it doesn't deserve. Demonstration of this may reduce the price you have to pay. :) The bottom line is the price paid should reflect what the car is worth to you. As Tryphon says "The car's price and, subsequently, value is closely related to its, proven, history and originality."
However, the presence of a fabricated history would not necessarily make the car a bad buy. I would want to be sure that there were not going to be any problems with registration/taxation/insurance/import-export in the country I was buying or planning on keeping and selling the car.

Oooh, decisions, descisions. :confused:
Hope these thoughts help.

[GaryFitz]

Music to my ears, but perhaps not to some. Below is a direct copy of some details I have just recieved from Thomas Popper and hopefully ends the mystery:

"My records show that car 637 \ 302 belonged to Masanori Yokoyama with licence plate TOL 80932. I have pictures of the complete restoration of this car. If we are talking about the same one.

It is painted in first style Alitalia but has a air intake on the roof.



Lord Mexbourough car is 716-245"

Cheers Gary

[chris.richard]

Does that mean it is one of the CF cars? Or that it definately isn't? Restoration of /from what? This is interesting!

[GaryFitz]

Chris, good question to which I do not know the answer. the only way this makes sence is that CF3 the Moxborough car is in fact a new chassis that recieved many of teh part sfrom the destroyed CF2, but did not receive the chassis number, and that CF2 was restored from the "wrecked ball" into the car that is now here in Japan. That means the car here is in fact the original ex-works Alitalia car, that went to CF as CF2, wrecked, and is now restored back into the Alitalia colors. This car is and has always been 1637. Clearly this story does not collaberate the previous discussion that the Moxborough car assumed the chassis number of CF2 and nor does it foit with the fact that CF2 was restored from just the floor pan. I guess there are stilla few un-answered questions here that can only be solved if the Chequered Flag guys who know what happened come forward. But at least I feel a hell of a lot better about buying 1637. Cheers Gary

[Swamprat33]

Hi Gary, sent you a pm.

Cheers
Tim

[colin artus]

Gary,
Are you the Gary Fitzgerald who bought GT40 P1080 recently? If so your taste in cars seems to exactly match mine.

Colin Artus

[GaryFitz]

Colin yes I am the same person. Always wanted a Stratos so I decided it was time. other genuine cars in the stable include an FIA Cobra an GT350R and until recently a Kremer Le Mans RSR. I have a few other cars I am hunting, but for the moment the Gt40, teh Stratos, and the GT350R will keep me busy across a variety of racing programs I have in mind for th enext couple of years. The Stratos will be preped for the East African Safari and the the Sudamericana next year. Glad to see we like the same type of toys. Cheers gary

[tryphon]

thomas@popper.ch

[colin artus]

I also have a GT350 racecar, though not an 'R' it has a lot of UK race history. I think you need a 917; there are a few tucked away in Japan I believe.

[colin artus]

By way of info re the Chequered Flag cars, I went to see one (at the Chiswick showroom) with a view to buying it in '84 or '85. They were asking 14k at the time and I suspect this was CF3 as a shedload of spares came with it ; obviously not on display in the showroom so I couldn't say what they were. I decided that the car was too rough for my liking ( remember it was just a beat up rally car back then!) so didn't buy it. They sold it a few months later to a dealer who promptly readvertised it at an asking price of 43k!

[GaryFitz]

Guys, thanks for all the information. I will post pictures from my inspection of the car this coming Wednesday afternoon in Tokyo. Cheers Gary

[GaryFitz]

Guys, I have inspected 1637 today. All I can say is WOW. To start with, all chassis numbers and Scocco numbers are correct, and correspond with the importation documentation. I am satisfied that this is the real 1637 as I also saw a photo album of several hundred shots of the car being taken back to the bare metal chassis and then being rebuilt again.

The car is in absolute mint condition - you would probably argue over restored, but boy is she fantastic. I cannot describe how loud the car is, the 24valve engine with open pipes makes one hell of a noise and my guess is that it will give the neighbours something to think about when I fire her up for an early morning run to Mt Fuji.

I am very happy. Thank-you one and all.

[rutthenut]

Great one Gary, sounds like a wonderful purchase.

Hope you let us know more about it.

[Swamprat33]

So Gary, well done.

I am really pleased that the car is that good.

Will we ever get to see it in the UK?

Cheers
Tim

[GaryFitz]

I intend to rally this car, so it is probably safe to assume it will be in the Uk at some point. There are a few events will run here in Japan first so that I build up my knowledge of the car. These will be tarmac events.

After that it will need to be shipped up out to somebody who can help me with gravel set-ups and adjustments, and from there......Kenya, Sth America, etc....

Cheers Gary

[CHP]

Hi Gary,

I am glad to hear that you are satisfied with the Stratos condition!

If you really intend to buy the car and even race it, volks on this forum might be more than pleased to hear about your adventures! So please feel free to post news from time to time.

Regards Christian

[rutthenut]

Dunno if this is the earlier car, but photo was sent on by Trevor Legate, so I thought it may as well be posted in here...

Regards,
John (Rut the Nut)

PS - I believe Trevor is writing (or has written) a new book on the Stratos, no idea when that is due for publishing though.

[GaryFitz]

Thanks my baby, thanks for the photo, is it copyright protected?

[tryphon]

How did it evolve into the car you have?
It has a Stradale dash, Minilites, narrow body, no vent and certainly 12V engine.
Do you know what happened to the car after the Checkered Flag campaign?

[rutthenut]

Thanks my baby, thanks for the photo, is it copyright protected?

I would presume so - looks like it may have been scanned from a magazine.
I can send you Trevor Legate's email address if you want to check with him (he may well have other info on the car).

[John]

Same photo for sale on ebay at the moment.

[rutthenut]

Looking at the watermark in the picture, that's obvously where Trevor got the picture from!

[Bob]

The photo was originally used in a Rally Sport Magazine supplement on the Chequered flag (sponsored by Castrol) back in the 80's. It was the supplement opened up and became roughly an A2 poster. I know because I have a copy, and there was one on Ebay posted on this site about a month or two ago.

Bob

[Chris J]

I've got one too Bob.

Did I flag the one up on ebay. It's a nice period keepsake anyhow.

'Notice the car has a narrow rear end (as Tryphon mentioned) but with wide arch parts still fastened to the tub.

[catswhiskers]

Gary,
Having been fascinated by the saga of chassis numbers, etc. and if all the information provided for you here is, basically correct, then I think I am right in understanding that you have indeed purchased 'Stratos2' chassis number 1637 which did, in a previous life have reg. number OTU 353R.
Correct? (you lucky git)
By my reckoning then, this must be it with my wife giving Andy Dawson a helping hand as he struggled to get in on the Manx. If so, I have several others of the car which are owned by me if they are of any interest. :)
Mick

[GaryFitz]

I am always interested in great cars, please dont hesitate to contact me. I 100% believe that I have the genuine 1637 and have confirmed that with the Stratos Register, boy has this car got some history.......I had no idea when I got into it, and I love the fact that it is such a well known car with plenty of colorful stories, including it's abandonment in Africa. Please dont hesitate to drop me a PM.

[strat6v]

Hi Gary, Some time ago i down loaded a video of a group 4 strat in early alitalia colours, being driven by a japanese owner. Where i downloaded it from escapes me at the moment but hopefully somebody else can answer this. I was wondering if this was your car? The video was found from a link on these forums.

Found it. Stick 'video' in the search box and look for 'something watchable from the viking'. I think the vid was the second one, 166mb

John.

[Chris J]

Gary,
Having been fascinated by the saga of chassis numbers, etc. and if all the information provided for you here is, basically correct, then I think I am right in understanding that you have indeed purchased 'Stratos2' chassis number 1637 which did, in a previous life have reg. number OTU 353R.
Correct? (you lucky git)
Mick

Great to see these old photos, Mick.
That car in your photos is Stratos 3. Lord Mexborough's car (just down the road from me). But it doesn't have the Stratos 2 number plate. It's only ever driven on private land and that's not often.

[catswhiskers]

Goodness me, the plot thickens? :) Mind you, it was right hand drive which was touched on here. Think I'm losing the plot now. :confused:

Mick

[catswhiskers]

"Stratos 3" which was the third car built up from all the salvageable bits from "Stratos 2" and was right hand drive! although later on was converted back to left hand drive. This is the car that carried the "LOV 1" plate.


Aha, but did it carry OYU 353 R before LOV1 ????. :confused:
The car in my pictures is definitely OYU 353 R.

Mick

[Chris J]

Mick
I know, it's hard to take it all in?

The 'Historic Race & Rally' Feb/March 1993 magazine article tells you a lot about each CF car.

What I'd like to know is:
Is the photo of the damaged Chequered Flag car on page 73 of the Nigel Trow book the result of the Cahal Curley accident? The reason that Stratos 3 came to be?

[Chris J]

Aha, but did it carry OYU 353 R before LOV1 ????. :confused:
The car in my pictures is definitely OYU 353 R.

Mick

Yes it did.

[Chris J]

Mick,
Stratos 3 was converted to RHD and then converted back to LHD
Here's some more photos of Stratos 3 as it is today:

[Chris J]

These were taken at CC Racing, Kirkbymoorside, Nth Yorks.

[Chris J]

By the way Mick, it doesn't even carry LOV 1 now. LOV 1 was sold on. I suppose it might be possible to get it back?

[Chris J]

Mick,
Stratos 3 was converted to RHD and then converted back to LHD
Here's some more photos of Stratos 3 as it is today:

Well I say 'today', but I was at CC's doing some (pre self adhesive) signwriting so it was hardly yesterday?! It didn't look any different to that when it was at the Silverstone Rally Sprint not so long ago?

[catswhiskers]

It didn't look any different to that when it was at the Silverstone Rally Sprint not so long ago?

Someone at Stoneleigh show commented to me that the CF Stratos that did the Silverstone Rallysprint, was virtually wrecked by the end of the event and needed a re-build which was anticipated to take approx. 12 months.???
Can anyone shed any light on that?? :confused: or is it just a 'fishermans tale'

Mick

[Mark Cowling]

Hi all, nice pictures Chris , any pictures of the Flag in right hand drive form, PS Chris J package posted today, Regards Mark.

[catswhiskers]

any pictures of the Flag in right hand drive form,

Like this???

[catswhiskers]

Or possibly this? :D

[catswhiskers]

Or even this.

Mick

[Mark Cowling]

Thanks Mick approx what years would the Flag have been right hand drive & was it only the second Flag that was right hand drive, Regards Mark.

[catswhiskers]

Well Mark,
All the pictures I've just posted were taken on the 1980 Manx (September I think) Other than that I dont know more about the car. Sorry. :)

Mick

[Chris J]

Thanks Mick approx what years would the Flag have been right hand drive & was it only the second Flag that was right hand drive, Regards Mark.

Mark, the third car was RHD (for a while) not the second car. The third car was the reshelled second car. It was first used on the 1980 Manx rally, and it was initially in RHD form. It went back to LHD by 1982.

[Chris J]

By the way Mick, thanks for the RHD photos. I've never seen it like that. Fancy!, a RHD Stratos?
So Jerry's rep. is accurate!

[Mark Cowling]

Thanks Chris there was also a right hand drive race car for a while before been converted back to left hand drive ,I think there was a picture of it on this site some time ago, Regards Mark.

[chris.richard]

Mick, you spoil your missus with hats like that, you old romantic you. :p

[rutthenut]

Thanks Chris there was also a right hand drive race car for a while before been converted back to left hand drive ,I think there was a picture of it on this site some time ago, Regards Mark.

That was the Schedlt and Pettet racer, used in the UK. (spelling?)

It was up for auction at Autosport some years ago, looking pretty sorry for itself. Didn't sell then, but was later bought and refurb'ed by someone, who put it up for sale at a much higher price. No idea if it's been sold though.

J.R.

[catswhiskers]

Mick, you spoil your missus with hats like that, you old romantic you. :p

Good job you can't see the woolly thermal underwear then :D :D In defence, even though it was sunny, it was bleeding cold. :eek:

Mick

[stewart]

I'm sure there may be other RHD Strats around..there is one in Aus, the only genuine car I have been (taken) for a drive in.

[GaryFitz]

guys, thanks for all the information on 1637. I agree with the sentiment that perhaps we should get somebody to write a book on the CF Stratos's, it is a facinating story. Stewart, 1637 will come home to Australia with me when I return from Tokyo, so I am sure we can arrange a drive in another Stratos sometime down the road. Thanks everybody, Cheers Gary

[stewart]

Gary,

I'll line up for that ride (and sure I will not be the only one)! Also look forward to seeing the whole collection if you're bringing them all home.

Maybe by then I might actually have my replica properly 'finished' and in more regular usage!

[guy mayers]

Yours or one of the others Gary?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1976-CHEQUERED-FLAG-LANCIA-STRATOS-WINS-MINTEX-RALLY_W0QQitemZ8777630439QQcategoryZ122014QQrdZ1QQ cmdZViewItem

Guy

[Chris J]

That's the burnt one (No.1), Guy.

[Sando]

I saw this in an old MotorSport mag recently. Not sure if it has been put on a thread somewhere already but thought it would add some interest to this one.
cheers
Rob

[Chris J]

That's the first one again, but we can't rebuild it:
http://www.stratossupersite.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2768&highlight=chequered+trophy

[simon]

In 1983 I wrote to the Chequered Flag as a schoolboy asking for information and Graham Warner sent me a photograph and a poster (from Rallysport I think) and invited me down from my Sheffield home to see their Stratos. My parents took me over the Easter weekend. We first went to the showroom where I proudly showed Graham my scrapbooks of anything Startos I had collected and then were told to follow a guy who would take us to the car. When we got to the smallish indutrial unit there was a guy (I can't remember his name, I was only 14) who was responsible for working on it and I remember being surprised to see two cars there. LOV1 was the same as when it later appeared in the Historic Race and Rally magazine and then at the Silerstone Rallysprint. I got to sit in it (I remember it was LHD) but was warned not to press the accelerator as they would have to strip the engine to get it running again! Somewhere I have a couple of pictures at home (in England - I now live in Sweden) with me sitting in it but the flash on our 135 Halina didn't work so they are very dark. But in the other corner was another Stratos shell, I think it had the engine installed but not much else. We were told it was Stratos 2 being rebuilt to go to Beaulieu Motor Museum. I later went to the museum and was disappointed not to find a Stratos there, but the story is complete for me as I finally got to find where it went to via this forum! One day, when I retire from co-driving and can save some money, I will join you in owning a replica (or if I win the lottery, a real one!) as it has been my dream car ever since I saw it on the '74 RAC in our local forest. Until then I will have to kepp myself amused reading all your stories!

[GaryFitz]

Simon I am happy to send you some photo's of how she looks today, cheers Gary. Send me your email address.

[rutthenut]

Found this fold-out feature recently (somewhere in my Stratos files).

[rutthenut]

Seen this picture a few times too.

[rutthenut]

Other side has this interview with Graham Warner.

[rutthenut]

And this is how that version of the car ended :(

Mind you, this is where the Chequered Career Trophy came into being, so part of it still lives on...

PS - apologies for the poor photos, but I thought something was better than nothing